Mueller closing in on Trump in Russian probe

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  1. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The investigation began as a result of Russian tampering with United States election as established by multiple intelligence agencies. Due to attempts by Donald Trump to quash this and the perceived threats to the acting head of law in this country he established an outside entity to assure it's continuation. Former FBI director Comey did at one point say to Trump that he is not under investigation "At this time" because he probably was not. Trumps actions since, including asking for loyalty. not getting it, and then firing Comey likely went into his current investigation.
     
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    And....I repeat...no one will know what charges the investigation leads to until it is completed.
     
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    HELLO! Earth to tecoyah. You are correct the investigation is following the guidelines used by police and FBI. But...... wait for this and pay close attention because it is difficult for some to grasp........ Mueller and his team are neither police nor FBI.
     
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    How far do you intend to move this goalpost?

    Meuller is the former head of the FBI and is using data gathered by that agency (among many other things).
     
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    I don't give a tinker's damn if Mueller was formerly a dog catcher. It has nothing to do with his authority or purpose, other that he was given the authority of a regime's secret police.
     
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    Another goalpost move?

    I'll tell you what, when you reply to a post and ask questions do not then agree with the answers before denying them in preference of switching to a new direction and doing it all over again. This is annoying and makes you seem a rather foolish troll.
     
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    If he wasn't under investigation by Comey, then explain what he was "quashing". You also might note that firing the FBI director also doesn't end the investigation.

    To compound your problem with this "logic", is that Comey and other FBI leaders testified under oath that no one had tried to stop the "russian investigation".

    There is never, and has never been anything tying Trump to any kind of Russian conspiracy.

    The allegation that Russia "influenced" the election is based on a DNC "hack" that Trump could not have helped with anyway.

    No US intelligence agency did any kind of investigation into the DNC "hack". A few people in 3 of the agencies based all of their conclusions on a report provided to them by Crowdstrike.

    A company which just happened to be in the employ of the DNC.

    There is never, and has never, been any evidence to tie Trump to the Russians to even begin an investigation into a hack that has never been investigated.

    The left has nothing, and never did other than:

    1. Trump won the election
    2. DNC data was leaked/hacked
    3. Ipso facto, Trump must have been involved
     
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    Have A Nice Day:???:
     
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    I always do. You too.
     
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    Exactly he has nothing to lose because he has nothing to date. It's a last desperarte attempt to try to find something. We are closing in on the end of this rediculous charade.
     
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    Unsourced? You have a serious problem with the truth.

    You also have a serious problem with reality. You can't face it.
     
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    Hmmm. What else would call articles with no sources for the info they claim?
     
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    What is Trump hiding?

    Soon after the revelation of Junior's meeting with Russian operatives, the Trump administration was discussing how to handle the event. Attending the meeting with Junior was Trump's campaign manager, Paul Manafort, and Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner. The purpose of the meeting: The Russians promised Junior dirt on the Clinton campaign. We know all this because of a series of emails between Junior and his friend who was arranging the meeting.

    Trump’s advisers discussed how to respond to the revelation that Trump’s oldest son had met with Russian operatives during the 2016 campaign — a disclosure the advisers knew carried political and potentially legal peril. The strategy, the advisers agreed, should be for Junior to release a statement to get ahead of the story. They wanted to be truthful, so their account couldn’t be repudiated later if the full details emerged.

    Trump changed all that. Flying home from Germany on July 8 aboard Air Force One, he personally dictated a statement in which Junior said that he and the Russian lawyer had “primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children.”

    That statement was quickly proven to be a lie by none other than Junior himself. Because the New York Times was about to release them, Junior made public the graphic emails that left no doubt who attended the meeting, where the meeting was, and the subject of the meeting.

    Trump looked like a fool.

    But, more importantly, what was Trump attempting to hide? If this meeting was as innocent as Trump would have us believe, then why attempt to deceive the media and the public?

    Obviously, there is more to all this. There are serious doubts this was the only meeting between Trump's campaign staff and the Russians. The meeting was a test. The Russians wanted to help Trump get elected. They had dirt on the Clinton campaign. All they needed to know is, would Trump's staff seek help from the Russian government?

    At the June 2016 meeting, Junior, Kushner, and Manafort answered that question.

    That is what Trump was trying to hide. There were more meetings, but they didn't involve Junior for obvious reasons.
     
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    Rather's delusional op-ed interview was equivalent to a political drive-by shooting. He fired indiscriminately and missed the intended target entirely. No substance to his accusations at all. Dan must be relying on his womans intuition ... :roflol:
     
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    What is Junior hiding?

    Junior has agreed to sit down for a transcribed interview with the Senate judiciary committee, as investigators continue to dig into his attendance at a 2016 meeting where he was promised Russian dirt on the Clinton campaign.

    The committee and Trump's son have agreed on a date to be interviewed by the panel in private, according to Taylor Foy, spokesman for committee Chairman Chuck Grassley, after Trump Jr.'s lawyers have been in discussions with the panel and turned over documents.

    After the Senate judiciary committee invited him to attend a July hearing to testify in public, Junior instead cut a deal with the committee to avoid that session. It's unclear if he will eventually testify publicly, but committee leaders have said an open session with Trump Jr. is still on the table.

    Why is that hearing to be conducted in secret? What is the Republican Senate hiding? What is Junior hiding?

    If all of this is innocent, if the Russian probe is just a charade brought to us by the deep state and the left as Trump fans proclaim, then why all the secrecy?

    The Republican Senate and House are conducting these investigations, not deep state, not the left, Republicans.

    That said, during the course of these four investigations, there have been numerous secret hearings with much secret testimonies and a great deal of secret documents. When Republicans cry out there is no evidence, there is no proof, that represents a self-fulfilling prophesy.

    Republicans are hiding the evidence and the proof.
     
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    HANNITY: What do you know about this Russian lawyer? What did you, at the time, if anything ...

    TRUMP JR.: I actually didn't know anything about it. Again, an acquaintance, you know, sent me this email. As a courtesy to him, I said, OK, let's meet. But I didn't know who I was meeting beforehand, never heard of the person, never got the information until they were in the room.

    This is beyond belief. Junior, Trump's manager, and Trump's son-in-law are meeting with an unknown person in Trump Tower and he claims he didn't know anything about it. He is meeting a total stranger on a topic he claims he knows nothing about.

    HANNITY: Schumer's -- did you hand over any and all documents?

    TRUMP JR.: Well, I will. I've said it publicly. I said it yesterday, more than happy to cooperate with everyone. I just want the truth to get out there. And that's part of why I released all the stuff today. I wanted to get it all out there.

    HANNITY: But this isn't...

    TRUMP JR.: They're trying drag out the story, Sean, in all fairness. You know, they have it. They want to drip a little bit today, drip a little bit then. So I was, like, Here it is. I'm more than happy to be transparent about it, and I'm more than happy to cooperate with everyone.

    HANNITY: So as far as you know, as far as this incident is concerned, this is all of it?

    TRUMP JR.: This is everything. This is everything.

    A couple of days after this interview, we learned there were three more Russians at that meeting.

    Trump lied about the statement he wanted Junior to tell the media.

    Trump's son lied about cooperating with any investigation.

    Trump's son lied about who was at the meeting.
     
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    Don't let AFM bug you. He is in denial. If it is about Trump and it is bad, he denies it. He doesn't offer anything else. He just denies it. He wants you to waste time.

    Of course, there are a lot of other Trump fans that are the same way. They just deny everything. They offer nothing to support their views. They just deny yours, regardless of the research you put into an article to bring out the truth.
     
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    I am in federal criminal court regularly. The federal criminal code, actually several titles of the United States code, is enormous.

    My prediction is that Mueller will find something on somebody, maybe lying to an FBI agent, or omitting to disclose something in an interview, or maybe a minor violation of the tax code, and then try to leverage into coercing disclosure of something someone in Trump's inner circle did, in the name of leniency. Then they'll show that Trump knew or should have known and then he'll be charged with misprision of a felony or something ridiculous.

    That's how it works. They aren't going to spend all this time and energy and then report that they found no violation of any law by anybody.

    Careers will be ruined for no good reason.
    I hope I'm wrong.
     
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    Let's clear the underbrush and go back to basics; What exactly has Trump done that is against the law?

    How do you.know?
     
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    There was nothing to hide the were promised stuff that wasn't delivered they didn't solicit crap they were offered crap that didn't materialize. No one there ever offered any sort of quid pro quo.
     
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    Trump Jr. had to have solicited, accepted or received something of value in order to be guilty. He didn't do that, but ...

    I worry that the prosecutor will allege that he attempted to receive something of value or conspired with others to attempt to receive something of value. Even if he is later acquitted, it will be a long, stressful, and expensive slog.

    If I were the parent of someone who got in trouble trying to advance my career, I'd feel terrible.
     
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    Lying to an FBI investigator is no small deal.

    Why would an innocent person lie to an investigator?
     
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    Dude...if you make a deal to buy drugs...and the drugs turn out to be sugar...you have still broken the law.
    There are terrorists who bought fake bombs from FBI informants....and ended up (rightly) in jail.

    This is no different in essence.

    The fact that the info turned out not to be "juicy" enough does not make a difference
     
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    You wake up in the morning and you turn on FAKE news CNN (Communist News Network) and get Russia, Russia Russia. You come home from work (if you work) and turn on CNN and listen to Russia Russia Russia. My God man, get a life.
    I'm a Republican and I'm sick of the way they don't go after those corrupt Democrats/FBI... Comey... Lynch... Hillary. There is evidence there. You have nothing .
     
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    Exactly, LEGAL investigations begin with a crime. Witch-hunts begin by looking for a crime, and worse is when the witch-hunt begins when an idiot politician needed an excuse for her election loss. It certainly isn't a crime to lose an election but dems already know who the "criminal" is without a crime to point to.

    Steve
     
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