Mueller-Dämmerung

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  1. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    That is YOUR FALSEHOOD!

    Here is the EXACT WORDING of the ACTUAL AUTHORITY granted to Mueller by the DoJ!

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3726408-Rosenstein-letter-appointing-Mueller-special.html

    NONE of the above provides any IMAGINARY "special powers"!

    NOWHERE does the term "possible crimes" appear!

    NOR is there any mention of your imaginary "secret grand jury"!

    Pulling bovine excrement out of your nether regions is not a substitute for FACTUAL DOCUMENTED REALITY!
     
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  2. Thingamabob

    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Is there really anyone who believes the collusion delusion?
     
  3. Plus Ultra

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    I think some Democrats probably realize there never was collusion, but plenty bought into the narrative, two years of concerted bias and deception from mainstream media and high-ranking members of the intelligence community as well as their elected representatives, have convinced many that there actually was a deal between Trump and Putin to defeat Hillary.

    Others simply can't accept that enough people just didn't support their agenda; it is inexplicable to them that anyone would be concerned enough by the millions of illegal immigrants to seek to restrict their unlawful entry, that anyone would limit in any way a perceived government obligation to provide unlimited healthcare, that anyone would think there's any need to appoint constitutionalist judges to preside over federal courts, that anyone believes there's any need to deregulate business activity, that anyone could think tax cuts could in any way benefit anyone, that anyone would deny the government should actively promote LGBTetc rights, that anyone thinks anything could supersede concern, regulation and spending to prevent global warming, that any could question that the shortfall in NATO's military spending needs must be paid by the US, that anyone might find Iran's honorable abiding by its nuclear agreement could be questioned in any way, that anyone could agree negotiating to denuclearize North Korea or moving the US embassy to Israel's capital would be would be good ideas... Democrats believe these issues are "settled" and any divergence with their views on them is clearly evidence of lunacy, denial, racism, sexism, intolerance, Nazism (and whatever other epithets may come to their minds). There is no discussion, these views are "articles of faith" (dogmas), accepted as the only way to regard these issues. Thus Trump and everyone who supports him is a lunatic, denialist, racist, sexist, intolerant, Nazi (and whatever other epithets may come to their minds).
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yes, the most gullible amongst us.
     
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  5. ronv

    ronv Well-Known Member

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    The right is the one that turned this into a Trump hunt. They do this while ignoring the fact Russia interfered in our election.
     
  6. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The collusion between Democrats and Russians is obvious.
     
  7. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Russia certainly did interfere in the election. No one is denying that. And the repercussions are still being felt.
     
  8. Pycckia

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    I, for one, acknowledge the fact that Russia interfered in our election.

    Doesn't seem to be a reason to impeach the President.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As we have in theirs and bragged about it. It is common and so far for the truthers, nothing has turned up that supports their accusations of treason.
     
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  10. ronv

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    No one is trying to impeach the president. That's a talking point made up because it is unpopular.
    It's similar to Trump creating a crisis to solve so he can stay in the news.
     
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    A talking point proposed by the democrats since Trump first took office.
     
  12. Pycckia

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    But you are wrong when you say "No one is trying to impeach the president. That's a talking point made up because it is unpopular."
     
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    Trump had nothing to do with Russian interference and whatever interference didn't have any effect. Trump didn't win the election thanks to Russian interference, he won because enough people didn't want 4 more years of Obamian policy and practice from Hillary, they were tired of high unemployment, sluggish recovery, leading from behind and military quagmires.
     
  16. Thought Criminal

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    WUT??!?
     
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    Keep hope alive!

     
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    What Barr will redact (https://lawandcrime.com/high-profil...ongress-on-whats-next-for-the-mueller-report/)
    1. material subject to Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 6(e) that by law cannot be made public;
    2. material the intelligence community identifies as potentially compromising sensitive sources and methods;
    3. material that could affect other ongoing matters, including those that the Special Counsel has referred to other Department offices; and
    4. information that would unduly infringe on the personal privacy and repetitional interests of peripheral third parties.
     
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    I suppose Mueller was also involved in the drafting of Barr's summary, that he agreed with Barr's statement Mueller didn't have evidence of collusion and punted on obstruction.
    Apparently Democrats don't believe people can read voluminous legal reports and summarize them in a few days, lawyers do this quite carefully all the time. I believe Barr has actually read the whole thing, but doesn't get into all the details because he was just providing a quick summary, he noted the two most important conclusions. No doubt there are dozens of other conclusions that are not as important.
    Once the appropriately redacted report is provided people will examine the strength of Mueller's conclusions, particularly on the lack of collusion, some will find the evidence is sufficient to conclude there was collusion and others won't, there may be questions relating to the admissibility or relevance. Mueller's lack of a determination on obstruction will get a lot of attention too. Since we know the report includes points in favor and against each conclusion, we can examine what Mueller considered and decide if this should or should not have been considered, what importance it may have.
    I hope he can, am not so sure. Barr seems to have the impression he can release the report to the public, I suppose this has been cleared with DoJ, whether Congress and the Senate will go along is not as certain. The House unanimously voted to have the whole thing published, but not the Senate. If the enumerated items are omitted, then there should be no problem release the report. Trump wants it published too.
    https://lawandcrime.com/high-profil...ongress-on-whats-next-for-the-mueller-report/
     
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  20. ronv

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    Are you saying you want him impeached?
     
  21. Pycckia

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    No. I am saying that you were wrong when you said nobody wants to impeach Trump.

    But you are not a serious person, so take the last word.
     
  22. ronv

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    Yeah, you know. Kind of like killing the special Olympics.
     
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    How so?
     
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    Trump is in the middle of I am a victim campaign.
    You haven't noticed?
    No, I guess you wouldn't.
     
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    He, like I am, is having a great time mocking your failed hoax. Do tell yourself whatever you need to.
     

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