Mueller opens the curtains

Americans are onto the DC scammers now.

"The agents had some questions about the Clinton Foundation leak just before the election. It was a quick meeting. McCabe, an FBI veteran who rose through the ranks over a 21-year career, told them he had “no idea” where the leak came from.

The agents left after just five minutes or so, according to the Inspector General’s April 13 report. McCabe had offered that same basic assurance months earlier to his boss, then director Comey, investigators said, and had angrily lit into FBI officials under him, suggesting the Clinton leak had come from their offices and telling one senior agent in Washington to “get his house in order.” But as it turned out, McCabe knew exactly where the leak had come from. He personally authorized it, Horowitz’s investigators found, to counter charges that he favored Clinton. (His wife received $467,500 from the PAC of a Clinton ally, then Virginia governor Terry McAuliffe, in a failed 2015 bid for state office.)"
TIME MAGAZINE, The FBI Is in Crisis. It's Worse Than You Think, By ERIC LICHTBLAU, By ERIC LICHTBLAU 6:13 AM EDT, 5/14/18.
http://time.com/5264153/the-fbi-is-in-crisis-and-america-is-paying-the-price/

 

Could you explain why you consider a story that was corrected within hours as being fake?

 

It was FAKE when it was reported. And it wasw widely reported. Corrections do not fix FAKE NEWS. Surely you know that.

 

Great summary. At what point do we put partisan bickering aside and start cleaning up this massive stench of a swamp that exists in among our Bureaucratic elite.

Its not like this is the first time the FBI (and other agencies) has engaged in nefarious and illegal activities - and never been held to account.

 

But.........it wasn't fake news. That's what Faux does. It was a story about a wiretap. It got a detail wrong and was corrected. Just because Don tweets about it being fake doesn't make it so..........surely you know that.

 

The Deep State is very durable. Its corrupt practices have been exposed for decades.

“In addition, intelligence routinely resorts to lying, deception, plausible denial, and related arts to escape detection, or, on higher levels, responsibility. Hoover's right-hand man, Cartha DeLoach, thus falsely assured Attorney General Nicholas de B. Katzenbach that the bureau tapes of Martin Luther King, wiretaps which he had offered to play for a Newsweek reporter, were made by a Georgia police unit and not by the FBI. Director Hoover frustrated Attorney General Francis Biddle’s order in 1943 to terminate a detention list merely by changing its name. Richard Helms lied to a Senate committee about CIA involvement in the “de-stabilizing” the Allende regime in Chile as well as its role in attacking domestic dissidents. Director Hoover regularly understated in Congressional testimony the number of electronic surveillances maintained during the previous year by excluding figures relating to microphone surveillances and by shutting down some of the wiretap installations on the eve of his testimony, only to resume them later."
The Age of Surveillance, The Aims and Methods of America's Political intelligence System, Frank J. Donner, Alfred A. Knopf, Inc., New York, 1980, p. 24,25.

 

LOL! First they reported that Cohen was "wiretapped". Then they "corrected" that "story".

FAKE NEWS - unless you believe the "Correction" is FAKE NEWS.

 

And this is just the tip of the iceberg. Bush Sr. was head of the CIA when it was importing cocaine into the US and using the money and drug cartel planes (on the way back) to ship arms to the Contra's. Congress has forbidden tax dollars to be used to arm the Contra's. The "Iran/Contra" affair was also part of this clown show.

More recently we have the arming and support of Al Qaeda and ISIS in Syria. We are also fighting on the same side as Al Qaeda in Yemen.

Not to mention the war in Iraq and attacking Libya.

We have the head of the NSA lie to congress (felony) about mass spying on US citizens (felony 2). Not only does Clapper not get punished - he keeps his job.

To make matters worse - the FBI is used to go after those who try to out Gov't crimes (and I am not talking Snowden and the he/she - these are people who are trying to go through legitimate channels who are having their lives ruined)

In 2013 it became legal for our intelligence services to create and disseminate propaganda on US citizens (not that they were not doing this before).

Oversight is either non existent or ineffectual and nothing changes regardless of whether Red or Blue get into power.

 

You folks are falling for the narrative Don has been trying to establish for some time now that any story critical of him is either fake in and of itself or comes from an outlet that is a purveyor of fake news. Rather than point out anecdotal inaccuracies he wants you to get in to a mindset that criticism can be dismissed out of hand. It's become an all encompassing term allowing people to be lazy, not use critical thinking or nuance (like what you've done), in order to get his supporters to only listen to news sources that fawn over him.

Earlier today, NBC News reported that there was a wiretap on the phones of Michael Cohen, President Trump’s longtime personal attorney, citing two separate sources with knowledge of the legal proceedings involving Cohen.
But three senior U.S. officials now dispute that, saying that the monitoring of Cohen’s phones was limited to a log of calls, known as a pen register, not a wiretap where investigators can actually listen to calls.
NBC News has changed the headline and revised parts of the original article.

There is no attempt to leave a lasting false impression here as outlets like Faux do. The mistake was corrected quickly.

 

You just don't get it. Most Trump supporters do not reject much of the criticism of Trump. They reject it as essentially irrelevant.
Just as Americans understood that Bill Clinton was a felon and a rather good President. The fact that Clinton was a felon did not justify removing him from office.

Hint: If the RP could not remove a proven felon from office the DP will never remove Trump, who remains "innocent" after years of intensive investigation by every arm of the powerful Deep State.

 

So.........your defense of all things Don extends to invoking the false equivalence of Clinton lying about sex compared to the possibility of treasonous actions by Don's minions? Is there any end to the things you will see as irrelevant?

 

There you go again, crying TREASON!

So, if Mueller can't prove that Trump is a traitor should Mueller et al be indicted for treason? Run that by the DNC.

 

Sorry, but that's idiotic. Mueller is doing the job assigned to him by the DOJ and working within the parameters of his mandate.

I'd say working with a foreign adversary to influence a presidential election is treason if that is what is proven.

 

It's a widely held perspective because it is true. In this situation the Democrats do not care a whit about due process or anything related to justice. Their plan is the overthrow of the president and destruction of Trump. That is the end, and all means are justified in their mind.

 

I'm going to have to call you out, again, for this hyperbolic rhetoric using words like "coup" and "overthrow." Due process is not being violated and even if it was Dems are not in a position to do much about it since Repubs control the WH, DOJ, FBI, and Congress. Rosenstein appointed Mueller, not Dems. Rosenstein authorized all areas of Mueller's investigation, not Dems. Drumpf brought this upon himself by firing Comey, not Dems.

 

You are just describing why the coup might not succeed, which doesn't say it is not happening. I don't know what you call an effort to extra-constitutionally unseat a duly elected president of the United States, but most call it by its common name: coup or overthrow -- unless of course one is part of a coup in which case they call it due process, or saving the country, or Christmas, or some such. The only end possible from Mueller's actions outside the Russian election interference can be nothing except laying the groundwork for impeachment. Yet there is not one iota of evidence that Trump has violated any the legalities for impeachment as listed in the constitution, or, for that matter, any crime.

 

Not a coup, not an "extra-constitutional effort," you don't know what evidence Mueller has.

 

I wish you would get off that old trite and mythical response that says Mueller has tons of evidence, he is just not telling anybody. Just waiting for an October surprise, ya think?

 

Mythical response? That must mean you know what evidence Mueller has. How so?

 

Same way you seem to know what evidence Mueller is hiding.

 

I don't, and never said I did. I'm saying neither of us knows........and that is the point. But I will say one thing for certain. He has more than what has become public.

 

In an electoral environment where the "Anti Establishment Movement" has gotten its legs and is up and running - the last think a party or elected official wants to do is get labeled "Establishment".

The problem with the Anti Establishment Movement is they the movement has not yet come up with identifiable targets - they are not yet shooting their arrows straight.

This will change - some leader will show up and start to clarify things - create targets. We can see this happening but that is another thread.

What is abundantly clear, is that this swamp like behavior - call it the Mueller affair- WILL be labeled for what it is - Establishment swampland.

Dem political elite are giving the movement a target - creating a target if you will.

The longer this clown show continues - the more irritated the already irritated people will become.

All this rooting around in peoples lives, in areas that are not legitimately connected to Russian Collusion, is unpalatable in general .. and eating more of this crap will not make it taste any better.

If the Dem's were smart - they would be the one's calling for a time limit - one as short as possible like 1 more month.

 

Except that would go against their real objective.

 

For once I agree with these Repubs.

Republicans to Trump: Let Mueller do his job

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...to-trump-let-mueller-do-his-job-idUSKBN1GU0M9

 

Mueller is not doing his job. Part of his job is to be impartial, objective and not abuse the power given him.