Murder rates: Constitutional carry vs may/no issue states

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  1. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    Unsupportable nonsense.
    And, even if it were true:
    Fallacy: Appeal to popularity.
     
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    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    In -no way- does it refute the facts in the OP as your post does not refer to murder rates.

    Constitutional carry states have a murder rate 36.5% lower than may/no issue states
    Constitutional carry states have a firearm murder rate 36.2% lower than may/no issue states
    Irrefutable fact.
     
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    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    You know you cannot show this to be true.
    I, on the other hand, having cited the FBI, have proven:
    Constitutional carry states have a murder rate 36.5% lower than may/no issue states
    Constitutional carry states have a firearm murder rate 36.2% lower than may/no issue states
     
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    BATF is present at every Gun show.

    I write a check,
    spell check ?
    Debit card ?
     
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    Actually, it is direct and to the point.

    The majority (overwhelming majority) of homicides are committed not by any one ethnic group but by men.
     
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    barefoot2626 Well-Known Member

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    Don't care.

    The BATF doesn't prevent private sales of firearms.

    Nor do they require all sales run through a background check.

    Do you need time to review what we are talking about?
     
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    barefoot2626 Well-Known Member

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    You haven't.

    When you do - and compare ALL states - then I will remind you that correlation is not causation.

    But one thing at a time.
     
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    As your posts does not reference the % of murders committed by blacks, nor the horrid over-representation of blacks in the number of murder committed, you do not address the point at all.
    That is, you offer nothing but a red herring.
     
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    Unsupportable nonsense.
    The facts in my OP are just that, and you cannot show otherwise.
     
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    He has been told this many times, but continues this dishonest narrative, suggesting thousands of venues have FFLs that will sell without BCs. I even posted rules used by many gun show venue operators, including the one I often work with an FFL at, rules added to satisfy the unknowledgeable, that require BCs by FFLs and instruct private sellers to use FFLs for BCs, but he basically discounted that and continued to insist felons would seek out dishonest felon friendly FFLs regardless of Their federal requirement to do BCs on another thread.
     
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    Further proof that the anti-gun side can only argue with fallacious appeals to emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty.
    As if we need it...
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    They can't win by appealing to reason. They have been trying to pick apart the 2A for decades, searching for the magic interpretation somehow missed in the 200 years of it's existence despite the many 2A cases that have been adjudicated, hoping for that ah-ha revelation that will somehow give them the legal authority to subvert that right rather than go through an Amendment process because they can't get the votes.
    As we saw in 2016, many are waking up to the lies, deceptions, and the results of the fail policies of the left and the shell shocked left, rather than seeing the disconnect with the voter, has increased the deceptive rhetoric and propoganda to new levels in hopes of turning the stampede away from the false narrative they use to cloak their real objectives. One of the new tactics is advocating, not just protest, but mob violence they are bolstering under a banner of blind resistance. In doing so, they are increasingly upping the very hate rhetoric and they claim to be resisting and trying to segment the population and vilify conservatives as the enemy to coalesce their fragmenting base. Power and control by any means, even if the means requires public disorder and violence; their true objective is increasingly exposed these days across far more issues than Gun Control,which has been one of their platform pillars for decades.
    The left has continually pushed amnarrative that the Constitution should adapt to the times, but what that means is it should be politicized, following the loudest voices. But, interestingly, when it suits their objectives, they will use the Constitution as a weapon when they can, because they know the reverence to its principals by conservatives. One objective is to subvert the Constitution, converting from principles limiting government to developing a weapon that provides the means, codified, for sustaining power, and limiting the rights of the People.
    The Gun Control battle (not debate) is one of the primary points of attack. Remove that right and the method and path to removing others become clear as happened/happening in the U.K.
    It has been my opinion, the battle over RKBA, is the battle for the Constitution, a battle for a government subject to it's Citizens over a government of absolute power over it's subjects.
    As, TD has often not so subltly charged, there are those advocating for Constitutional subversion that should be considered committing treason against this country, many of those certainly violating oaths taken.
    I see the motto of the left here as, control by any means necessary.
     
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    Prove it.
     
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    the real fraud is pretending that crime control is what motivates his hatred of gun owners. its obvious that armed criminals don't cause him the ire that we who support our rights do.
     
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    as I noted, that claim is both specious and its a facade. saving lives has nothing to do with the jihad against gun owners and gun rights.
     
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    It is all about the BM Agenda to Ban Law Abiding people's guns.
     
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    Its all about the GN agenda to eliminate all gun laws
     
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    If they are not being enforced, there is no justification for them to exist in the first place. Either use them, or repeal them.
     
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    You still didn't proved that gun control saves lives and you still didn't address the Canadian border in the other thread.
     

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