Must we really hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters?

Must we really hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters?

Jesus said so:

https://biblehub.com/luke/14-26.htm

Luke 14-26

How can you explain those words?

Can you explain them away?

 

I am curious to read your explanations.

 

the point is later in the chapter:

33 `So, then, every one of you who doth not take leave of all that he himself hath, is not able to be my disciple.

34 `The salt [is] good, but if the salt doth become tasteless, with what shall it be seasoned?

35 neither for land nor for manure is it fit -- they cast it without. He who is having ears to hear -- let him hear.'

 

But the words are there!
That one should hate all those relatives!
How can a "good person" say such cruel things?

 

That passage is based on the First Commandment = Exodus 34:11-16.

 

Jesus might have chosen other words

 

He did. Those words were not spoken in English. Jesus spoke greek, aramaic and/or hebrew (or some combination thereof). This is yet another reason why its not reasonable imo to take a completely literal interpretation of scripture, and the NT in particular. If 'hating' ones parents were a common theme in Jesus' teachings, we could reasonably assume thats what he meant here. But since its totally contradictory to His other teachings, its far more reasonable to assume 'hate' is not the most accurate translation of what He actually said.

 

Yes. It is just yet another example of the Bible putting obedience to power and authority (God being the ultimate authority) over one's own innate sense of empathy and morality. If you keep an eye out for this theme while reading the Bible, you will see it come up again and again, repeated more often than any other theme, hence it being encapsulated in the first commandment.

 

I was always just told it meant that you must love those family members less than you love God.

 

When you read the Bible carefully it is easy to make the connection between the stories and one or more of the real Ten Commandments, Exodus 34:11-26.

The problem is that silly Hollywood movies and ignorant preachers have brainwashed people into believing in the fake Commandments, found in Exodus chapter 20 and Deuteronomy chapter 5. The next time you happen to read a Bible story, refer back to the Ten Commandments in Exodus 34:11-26 and you should be able to easily see the connection.

 

This to me is the funniest part. If this was written by the preachers today it would be telling you not to include any red M&Ms and to make sure martinis for the priests, er I mean sacrifices for God that the priests just happen to collect, be shaken, not stirred.

 

One interpretation of the 10th Commandment (“Do not cook a young goat in its mother’s milk.”) could be the passage in Ezekiel 18:19-21 in which each person is accountable for no one’s sins but his own=

Ezekiel 18:19-21(CEB) =
“19 You will say, “Why doesn’t the child bear his parent’s guilt?” The child has acted justly and responsibly. The child kept all my regulations and observed them. The child will surely live. 20 Only the one who sins will die. A child won’t bear a parent’s guilt, and a parent won’t bear a child’s guilt. Those who do right will be declared innocent, and the wicked will be declared guilty.

21 But if the wicked turn away from all the sins that they have committed, keep all my regulations, and act justly and responsibly, they will surely live and not die.“

That is a major change in thinking from Deuteronomy 13:13-17 https://thebricktestament.com/the_law/religious_tolerance/dt13_13-15.html (5 pictures) in which everyone in a town is held responsible for the actions of a few.
&
Deuteronomy 23:3-8 https://thebricktestament.com/the_law/racial tolerance/dt23_08.html (5 pictures) where people are cursed forever for the actions of their distant ancestors from generations ago.

So, the point of the 10th Commandment might be to let bygones be bygones and only concern yourself with what is happening now.

 

Maybe, but I think it could also just be a matter of the priests flexing their power and testing their control over their sheeple.

 

It could have been an act associated with the worship of false gods or witchcraft.

 

Did the Jesus character engage in witchcraft when he made a spit mud ball to cure the blind man’s blindness?

John 9:5-7 (CEB) =
"5 While I am in the world, I am the light of the world.” 6 After he said this, he spit on the ground, made mud with the saliva, and smeared the mud on the man’s eyes. 7 Jesus said to him, “Go, wash in the pool of Siloam” (this word means sent). So the man went away and washed. When he returned, he could see."

 

It's quite obvious what it meant if you don't have some anti-religion axe to grind.

It meant placing God first and foremost in your life. To have nothing be above God even family.

 

How does not cooking a baby goat in its mother’s milk indicate placing god first in your life?

 

Are you responding to the wrong post?

 

Yes. That's exactly what it is. As I wrote above, it is about obedience. It is about the priests/King controlling the people. Some like Pharoahs declared themselves Gods. Others claimed to speak for Gods.

 

In ancient days, all of the big wigs considered themselves to be Gods. The last biblical God was the Babylonian emperor who bit the dust around 530 BC. He is never, ever, coming back.

The Roman emperor, Hadrian, made his boyfriend Antinous, a God who had his own temples and religious rituals, He was worshipped as a god in both the Greek East and the Latin West.

 

Huh?

 

lot of crazy stuff in the bible as it was meant to be like a magic eight ball, the preachers of the day could find a verse to support whatever side of an argument they wanted

it's kinda like rich people and laws today

just more proof biblical stores were written by man, not a God

 

I don't know that this passage is such a good example - there is some allegory that can be considered here that makes interpretation difficult.

I like to keep my arrows as straight as possible .. giving no chance to wiggle out .. sans mind bending absurdity .. of which I often see in response to being the adherent being skewered.

 

The biblical stories are devices to illustrate the real Ten Commandments so the stories don't have to be true or logical.

 

that is progress, at least admitting they don't have to be true

people should strive to be good people, regardless the religion they pick to believe in, or what's in their religious texts