Must we really hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters?

Well you went right to morality and I was referring to religious practice and belief.

 

All morality originates in someone's beliefs. Is yours superior to someone who has faith? You call yours "philosophy". I equate it with "Secular Humanism" which derives it's morals apart from "faith". You believe in your philosophy, others believe in a power greater than themselves. My morality stems from my faith. There is no "jump" here. You made a statement condemning "all Christians" as condemning others. That, by most would be a moral judgement.

 

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The original Bible was written in Latin by a committee of story tellers, writers, and artists based in England in the 680s-early 690s. The Greek versions are simply translations and they are written in the Modern Greek alphabet.

 

No, New Testament was, in parts, in ancient Greek.

 

What makes you think I am as ignorant as an eyebrow mite? You are the one who believes in other people's delusions. Have I become your enemy because I tell you the truth? Who has bewitched you to the point where you are no longer capable of rational thinking? You believe in ancient Middle Eastern Jewish religious fairytales without any basis in reality.

The Jesus character said that if you had the faith the size of a mustard seed that you could command a tree to uproot itself and to jump into the sea. If you have faith, walk outside right now and command even a little bush to uproot itself and to jump into the nearest body of water. Hold off on drinking a bottle of poison or wrapping a live rattlesnake around your neck until you master the tree trick.

 

Prove that you are a real biblical Christian. Get dressed right now and go into the city and find a homeless person and invite him to move in with you for the next 180 days. During that time provide him with all of the necessities of life as if he is you. So, whatever you do for yourself do the same for him. If you refuse to do that then you should change religions.

Why haven't you gotten dressed and started looking?

https://thebricktestament.com/the_teachings_of_jesus/on_giving/mt05_41.html 4 pictures

 

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You are not supposed to tempt God.

and what book of the Bible, Chapter and verse does it say anything about the tree and the sea (note, where in the New Testament that is).

 

And where in the New Testament does it tell Christians to do that? Book, chapter, and verse.

 

There were bits and pieces of scattered manuscripts floating around but they were not the Bible because the Bible as a book did not exist before the late 680s-early 690s. The original Bible, as a complete unified book, was written in Latin and all subsequent versions translations. Saying that you read the Bible in original Greek is like saying that you read it in original Chinese.

 

Here is a short refresher =

Mark 16:17-18 (CEB) = ”17 These signs will be associated with those who believe: they will throw out demons in my name. They will speak in new languages.18 They will pick up snakes with their hands. If they drink anything poisonous, it will not hurt them. They will place their hands on the sick, and they will get well.”

Luke 17:6 (CEB) = ”The Lord replied, “If you had faith the size of a mustard seed, you could say to this mulberry tree, ‘Be uprooted and planted in the sea,’ and it would obey you.”

Mark 11:23 (CEB) = ”I assure you that whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be lifted up and thrown into the sea’—and doesn’t waver but believes that what is said will really happen—it will happen.”

Matthew 21:21 (NKJV) =
“So Jesus answered and said to them, “Assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but also if you say to this mountain, ‘Be removed and be cast into the sea,’ it will be done.“

 

Hurry, Jesus is waiting for you =

Matthew 25:35-46 (ERV)

"35 It is yours because when I was hungry, you gave me food to eat. When I was thirsty, you gave me something to drink. When I had no place to stay, you welcomed me into your home. 36 When I was without clothes, you gave me something to wear. When I was sick, you cared for me. When I was in prison, you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the godly people will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and give you food? When did we see you thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you with no place to stay and welcome you into our home? When did we see you without clothes and give you something to wear? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and care for you?’

40 “Then the king will answer, ‘The truth is, anything you did for any of my people here,[a] you also did for me.’

41 “Then the king will say to the evil people on his left, ‘Get away from me. God has already decided that you will be punished. Go into the fire that burns forever—the fire that was prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 You must go away because when I was hungry, you gave me nothing to eat. When I was thirsty, you gave me nothing to drink.43 When I had no place to stay, you did not welcome me into your home. When I was without clothes, you gave me nothing to wear. When I was sick and in prison, you did not care for me.’

44 “Then those people will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty? When did we see you without a place to stay? Or when did we see you without clothes or sick or in prison? When did we see any of this and not help you?’

45 “The king will answer, ‘The truth is, anything you refused to do for any of my people here, you refused to do for me.’

46 “Then these evil people will go away to be punished forever. But the godly people will go and enjoy eternal life.”

Will your lack of positive action result in you being punished forever? Only you can decide.

 

The first is not a reference to modern Christians.

 

Do not agree. And will not engage in ad hominems. Be well and good night.

 

To me a belief in the supernatural based on anonymous hearsay claims and anecdotal stories displays a lack of critical thinking. Believing in legendary tales of creation that conflict with science exhibits a lack of critical thinking. Is that a fair thing to say? I believe it is.

I ask on this forum all the time for empirical evidence to support claims of a God. Particularly a two legged primate looking sort of God. who it is claimed made man in his own image and so far get no evidence. Only more claims. Stop telling me what God resists or what God gives unless you can produce empirical evidence. Otherwise God claims just demonstrate brainwashing, no offense intended.

Pride and critical thinking are not related. One can have pride and not critical thinking. Or have critical thinking with no pride.

 

Someone stating the truth about how the Bible was created was not an ad hominem attack on you.

Her is a short paper on how the Bible Canon was created. If you disagree with this account feel free to provide a basis for your disagreement.

https://digitalcommons.pepperdine.e...rer=&httpsredir=1&article=1357&context=leaven

 

Post the text proving sections of the Bible were not in Greek.

 

Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek are quite different than English.....
I heard that the word "forever" in Hebrew and Greek actually means "until the end of conditions last" which I believe is good news for the dead who do not make it to heaven immediately after death....

I remember being told that this verse could be translated.... "love less in comparison."

 

Well as for science.....we have watched the man who defines science, St. Fauci, and have seen his wisdom all over the map. As to the "truth" to be found in this world.....it is laughable. There is no "empirical evidence" that you have any purpose in this life other than to eat, drink have sex and die. It is a bleak existence. It seems to be a legendary tale that lives between the ears of mankind. Stop telling me God does not exist because I won't believe you created something out of nothing. (though you might believe it yourself) .....this critical thinking is tiring.

 

1. Opinions differ. But I do not view Fauci as a man of science. He is a typical high-level Government administrator -- the personification of a bureaucrat.

2. It seems like we are in agreement that there is no empirical evidence for a supernatural god.

3. You assert a belief in God based on a view that something cannot come from nothing. So how did your God come from nothing.

4. What I find tiring is assertions based on arguments from ignorance. You don't know how the universe was created. So you don't get to assert God did it. That is an argument from ignorance. BTW, I don't tell you a God or Gods do not exist. Rather, I tell you that people who claim a God exists can never provide any empirical evidence to support their claim.

5. Eating, drinking, and sex are as legitimate a purpose of life as any other. More enjoyable, I would argue, than genuflecting to an invisible man in the sky.

 

You couldn't produce a legitimate Bible that was written in Greek before the year 700 AD for all of the gold in the universe.

 

More personal attacks. We're done.

 

It sure would be nice if people would simply open their eyes (and minds) and see reality. Where did you come from? It was from a tiny egg and an even smaller sperm that combined and then created blood, flesh, organs, hair, bones. None of which existed before. Where did your house and everything in it come from?

The process of creation starts with quantum foam and strings and before that, Nothing, and then it evolves into elemental particles that evolve into hydrogen atoms. The hydrogen clumps together and form stars. The stars cook up new elements. After the star explodes the material clumps up and forms planets and if the conditions are right, the planet cores will cook up new elements that will form organic molecules that will become lifeforms. Over time, those lifeforms will evolve into all sorts of living organisms and they will continue to evolve.

The simple ancient ethnocentric Middle Eastern Jewish and Arabian fairy tales about God or Allah are silly. It is estimated that there are over 200 Trillion galaxies in the universe with zillions of planets but those Gods are only concerned with what happens on a grain of sand on a tiny planet in one galaxy out of 200 trillion other galaxies.

It's time for people to start using more than 1 brain cell and stop being dumber than people were 100,000 years ago.

 

Bye. But be sure to inform the other posters when you find a legitimate Bible written before 700 AD in Greek. I'm sure they will appreciate it. BTW, a tattered scrap of papyrus won't qualify as a legitimate Bible.

 

This is our big difference. Your desire for information ends with what can be explained to a finite mind. Perhaps you can partake in some of that glory for yourself as you share in discovery. I think you see yourself as having no use for the infinite or something far greater than what your mind can perceive. You are given perhaps 80+ years to enjoy and that is providing everything goes right for you. Then it's done. What little gratitude you ever showed will turn to ash.
On the other hand, some of us contemplate beyond the furthest stars. We believe we are to be productive in this life and enjoy it's fruits, yet we long for something bigger. We know it's out there. This life is but a wisp, a vapor. The author of intelligent design is so much bigger! We believe it is plausible that this author left us valuable clues to the infinite, and because we long for and trust, we will be rewarded accordingly.

I find everything mentioned above is very enjoyable. I have that going for me every bit as much as you do. For you, when it's over it's over. For me it is just beginning. You term it as "genuflecting to an invisible man in the sky." yet you imply I do it out of ignorance. Let me point out some errors you make that illuminate the ignorance of your own. There is nothing invisible here. The evidence is all around us. If you had a degree of humility you would understand that human understanding can neve incapsulate it all. Secondly, your finite mind tells you if there is a Creator it has to be a "man" because that is all you have ability to comprehend. Likewise the third reference to "sky" is also an attempt by your finite mind to grasp infinite reality. What is sky? Man's discovery says it is our atmosphere and beyond to a void of empty space that has no end. Has no end? How can you comprehend that with your finite mind?
You may call it ignorance, and perhaps it will make you a little more confident about yourself if you do, but I would propose God's Kingdom is all around us here and now, in the future and in the past. There are no barriers. Some of us desire to be a part of that. You can mock if you wish but your mockery is only temporary.