My Bet For the Future: Extra-Terrestrial Life

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  1. Gelecski7238

    Gelecski7238 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You must have been in the mood for mixing things up good. I’m supposed to sort all this out without tripping over something?? LOL.

    I don’t get the idea that some way of looking at the workings of God/consciousness/observer can make the multiverse concept unnecessary and dismissible.

    Realities that are separated by different frequencies are layered together and are not so far apart as they may seem. The seven planes of existence have a single source. Does the source produce other sets of seven planes, or different kinds of sets, or are there other Gods doing the same sort of thing? Who knows.

    ETs can warp space/time/gravity and even mix technology with consciousness, but supposedly that’s all within our galaxy and universe, and doesn’t tell us anything about possible outside realities.

    Some other universes are very similar to ours, and jet they are separate domains. Others that have more serious differences must also be separate and distinct. Campbell claims that his explorations included some of the more far-out types. If the apparent pattern is not that of a multiverse, then I don’t know what it is.

    There has been a statement that Campbell’s idea of the multiverse is very different from that of scientific consensus. I disagree. His description is the very same wording.

    Some of the bastions of science have the motive to downplay the God/consciousness/creator/observer role for one reason or another. They want the image of authority. They don’t like to admit that science falls short of eliminating the occult domains. The priests of science fear a return of power to priests of faith/belief. They resist giving ground to abstractions that threaten to become established fundamentals of existence, as that would diminish their channels of jurisdiction and send them scrambling to adapt and usurp.

    Science seems to concede only a minor role to observer/consciousness while also remaining doubtful that ours is a virtual reality.

    The Hawking camp proudly declares that it can now explain the creation of universes without the need to invoke God, while being careful not to advertise their lack of explanation for how the overall process got arranged and started.
     
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    We may find life closer than we think....Europa maybe?
     
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    DarkDaimon Well-Known Member

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    You seem big on claims but you are coming up short on evidence.
     
  4. upside-down cake

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    I really couldn't elaborate. It was just a thought, but I am unaware of the exact conditions of that time period, so I couldn't do much more than specualte...

    However, I did wonder about why things got smaller and did think that it was a matter of practicality. From what I can tell, it is not so much size that determines dominance or the best chances of survivial. The best predators are usually social units that are able to hunt in groups. This could be for things like humans...or things like viruses. Obviously, size does not matter to a virus, but technique and number. A virus uses a specific technique that, among other things, requires overwhelming with numbers.

    This might be going out on a limb, but in the science of the application of nuclear destruction, it is well known that something like a MOAB bomb would be highly impractical because most of the energy is wasted. Rather than launching one massive MOAB (mother of all bombs), you launch a bunch of smaller nukes tactically. In this way, the effort-to-results ration is much more improved. You get more bang for your buck.

    These are just opinions, though. Your princess is in another castle, Mario, lol.
     
  5. MrNick

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    Aliens visit Earth all the time... There is so much evidence I'm shocked it's not discussed more. That seems to be a US thing tho because in Mexico they openly talk about aliens and UFO's..

    The only reason why super power governments haven't come out and said aliens do indeed exist is because they don't want people a) going crazy and b) questioning government and science.

    The notion that there are beings 1000x smarter than humans will clearly make people question science and authority and that is something the government doesn't want to deal with...
     
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    What makes you think aliens would even want to communicate with the entire of the human race?

    Would you talk to an ant?

    You can bet they're extremely interested but view humans as we view ants or perhaps chimps.
     
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    Actually, ET can be any life outside of Earth and our atmosphere, and 'life' can be any where from single-celled to intelligent (except in US government), so it's a good probability we'll find ET life on Mars and other planets/moons in our Solar system as well as asteroids/comets. Regarding intelligent ET's, if they exist we will soon discover radio and/or other signals as our search technology/equipment improves...
     
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    Seems to me those life forms, single celled forms, the ones which are nearly impervious to all the geological/atmospheric/space crap that can happen to Earth, are both the beginning and ending of higher evolved and/or intelligent life. We can have natural and manmade events on Earth which can annihilate all plants, animals and humans, and given enough time, advanced life might form again on Earth. If we believe these microbes, or the building blocks of life as we know it, can exist throughout the Universe, then Earth and all other locations can evolve advanced life and destroy it, over and over and over during billions of years. This is why IMO SETI must be very lucky to make contact with other intelligent beings when those beings, and us, are in existence at the same time, but, the microbes probably exist most everywhere all the time...
     
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    When philosophical materialists, just pay no attention existing evidence, which is the fact of the matter, how does one change their minds? I am afraid science moves slowly, at the pace of tombstones.

    This is quite the topic now, within certain science circles, the power of dogma in materialistic science. Sheldrake wrote a book on it, which the editor of Nature, in the UK, was a book fit for burning. LOL.
     

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