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Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by RodB, Sep 23, 2017.

  1. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You mean other than the SS check you get every month and the government subsidized single payor health care system you receive?
     
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    RodB Well-Known Member Donor

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    No, I mean free stuff. Not stuff I have already paid for, like SS and heath care (single payer?????)
     
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    Sanskrit Well-Known Member

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    I see, so is that what you do to get -your- stuff? Or do you have the government do all the work for you? Rhetorical, everyone already knows the answer.
     
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    ... doesn't mean what you think it means.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Unless you actually believe that you are the only one in this country paying "medicare tax"... then you know your medical care is payed by taxpayers.

    However, your point is well made. Yes. We all pay into the system according to our possibilities, and draw from it according to our needs. That's how socialism works!
     
  6. RodB

    RodB Well-Known Member Donor

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    Close. We all pay into the system as the government dictates. We draw from it as the government says we can.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    That's tendentious. We pay according to our income, and we draw when we need treatment. Restrictions are not personalized and are set only by whatever budget is left after Republicans are done taking from it to give tax breaks to the rich.
     
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    I'm sure that your "UNBIASED" interpretation is in conflict with mine, and that James Madison would back you up on that.
     
  9. RodB

    RodB Well-Known Member Donor

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    I think you meant to say Democrats, likely referring to the $700 billion Obama took out of Medicare to support ACA. Or did you mean Medicare itself when the IPAB kicks in and sets Medicare spending limits that are absolute and without recourse. Though the latter won't be personalized either, just things like, hypothetically, no more knee replacements after 70 and such.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    No. I mean Republicans. Ah... the old Republican fake story.... Doesn't work now any better than it did when they made it up. Obama did not take a penny to support ACA. He saved $700 billion by negotiating with providers.

    In any case, glad to see that your question from the OP was answered.
     
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    RodB Well-Known Member Donor

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    Absolute horse pucky. A big part of the $700 billion was to come from the revisions in Medicare Advantage starting in January in 2013. When the clueless Obama found out that Medicare had to inform the Medicare patients of their drastic reductions in benefits in October, one month before the election, he promptly killed it and illegally took money from HHS special research funds to cover the deficit. And so it goes.
    Obama stole (legally) $700 billion from the Medicare trust fund to cover his gold plated ACA. Cry me a river.
     
  12. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    I see. So you're going to insist on the falsehood. No! Not a penny was cut from Medicare. The ACA implemented a series of changes that would result in future savings by reducing overpayments for $716 billion. Nobody "took money". This was litigated hundreds of times and proven false at the time. But of course, facts would never dissuade Republican demagogues from including it in their speeches.
     
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    RodB Well-Known Member Donor

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    No, he stole the money but promised to restore it by tightening up Medicare payments to providers and Medicare Advantage and by reducing fraud and abuse. None except the Advantage thing materialized which, as I said, he covered by illegally (per the GAO) taking the money out of a HHS research fund. Shout out the blind spin and talking points all you want; won't change anything.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    I know... I know... And Hillary was operating a child pornography ring out of a Pizzeria. And Trump's inauguration crowd was the largest in history. And Puerto Ricans are delighted with how the President has helped solve all their problems...

    The $700 billion story has been shown false again and again.. But when Republicans decide to encase themselves in their "alternative facts" shell, real facts will not bring them back to reality.
     
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    Funny how the left seems to celebrate the demise of white people, like it's a good thing.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Why is it not a good thing that whites become a minority?
     
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    Not saying it isn't, just noticing how excited you all seem to be to see it happening.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Doesn't affect me one way or another. But I do notice how depressed it seems to have made you to see it happening.
     
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    RodB Well-Known Member Donor

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    Again, no. It was claimed to be false hundreds of times, never shown to be false. And to paraphrase Einstein, "If I am wrong you don't have to show it many times -- once is enough." The thought being if the MSM propaganda machine claimed it enough times it would eventually be believed.
     
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    "Parapharsing Einsteiin"? I very much doubt Einstein would have asked somebody to prove him wrong. Einstein would have known, as all rational people do, that the burden of proof lies with whomever makes the claim.

    You are actually "paraphrasing" Mae West!!!

    And very poorly, I must say. But I guess that, for anybody used to getting (quote-unquote) "facts" from Breitbart, confusing Einstein with a misquoted Mae West is not all that exceptional..

    Here is the appropriate way in which you can paraphrase Einstein: "‘Maybe I’m wrong, and if I’m wrong we’ve really wasted a lot of time’"
     
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    What about the Greatest Generation and the Luckiest Generation ?

    Well the Greatest Generation is almost all gone.

    Many times I wished I would have been born ten years earlier and would have been part of the Luckiest Generation. Being a teenager back when America Was Great,

    To young to have fought during WW ll and the Korean War and to old to have been sent to Vietnam.

    I would have been drafted and sent to Germany for a year instead.

     
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    RodB Well-Known Member Donor

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    “No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong.” Albert Einstein
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    So... you're interpreting that as meaning that you can say whatever you want and you don't need to prove it?

    That's hilarious! Though Einstein would probably find it abominable.
     
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    RodB Well-Known Member Donor

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    Huh?????
     

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