NBA Hall of Famer: Black people need to stop looking for handouts

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  1. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

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    So you're denying that Lyndon B. Johnson's "great society" is a total and epic failure? How is it that poverty has increased several scores fold, whilst the government social programs are larger than ever? Actually, there are a lot of reasons but just to name them:

    -Income Limitation:
    Stupidly, the State/Federal governments limit your accessibility on welfare/SS and others depending on your income. So if you're making just barely under the poverty line(or whatever the official number is), it doesn't matter about utilities and other costs. And yes, I'm of the belief that you need water, heating, a roof over your head, etc in order to function in daily society.

    Of course, these limits aren't focused on the fictional 1%. Like I said, we're imposing income limitations on those barely over(or at) the poverty line. This means looking for work is disadvantageous on the long run. Especially if the check brings in less on average than the benefits.(Hard to believe, but it does because of another factor:)

    -Dual Taxation at the Federal/State Level: Yet another thing that grinds my gears. We pay 18 trillion to the Federal Government, but it doesn't operate anywhere near say Finland's outlook on governing. Education for example gets less than 3% of Federal Funding. Which leaves it up to the States. Ron Paul might celebrate that, but I don't. Especially since it causes an unfair burden on States. If a Federal Government is going to exist, it has to appropriately fund those things which it deems "in its National interest" (IE: The ACA). Education falls under that department, so does infrastructure.

    Since our Federal Government is vested in bombs, medical bills and retirement(Military, health care and Pensions respectfully), the States have had to basically fund the entire domestic scope of the U.S. And that is a large reason why State Governments are about as insolvent as our Federal Government. This means you pay high State taxes. And I don't just mean on domestic goods, I mean on your paycheck as well. U.S Citizens are taking less, because the money is being funneled everywhere BUT the Middle Class.

    It's for this reason, as I contemplate running for the Pennsylvania House that I want to introduce a tax reform, on the lines of Maine and Florida. In other words, no State Tax. Or, perhaps a two-tier system in which the wealthiest Americans pay State Tax, but a lowering of the State Capital Tax. In my reform, the rich will contribute their fair share. But it's time for the GOBERMENT to stop taking every freaking penny, leaving our productive capacity at zero, zilch, NADA.

    The American People, the Middle Class deserve to have their money. When it says "Pay to order of X for $500." I want to ensure it remains $500, or hell at least $360. We shouldn't take more than 25% of a person's pay. I'm a believer in Locke's theory on private property, and the value thereof of private property.

    The private sector has struggled miserably, because government tried to replace the private sector. Which hasn't and will never work. Power to the People, power to those who make our economy go.

    I've also endorsed a Flat Tax as well to compartmentalize this. Everyone should pay a fair share of dues in accordance to his or her ability. To make it work more fairly, I do acknowledge there's a class difference. So for the rich, it'll be 30% of taxable income, while for the middle class it'll be 15% and for the poor, 10%.

    The rich will have a slight uptick, but I've more than offset that in other areas. The Middle class will get a reprieve, while I'm asking a little bit more from the poor but they still keep 90% of their income. This is the new Economy: Everyone contributes.
     
  2. Marine1

    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This picture was taken in our kitchen. That's my sister sitting on my fathers lap. Take a good look at that kitchen, especially the door and the molding around it. See the bug on the wall and the water pipes running on the outside of the ceiling and wall. I was one of six kids and I know poverty. We grew up before welfare or food stamps. We were as poor as any Black family. But we all made it. We all own our own home. None of us we ever in jail. We worked hard, damn hard and there was no one there to help us.


    http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc168/Marine011956/Oldhouse_zps3b7525e0.jpg~original
     
  3. notme

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    They shouldn't.

    The US hardly does sh*t for the African American community. The Caucasians and Jews pushed them into utter poverty because of slavery and apartheid that went on till the 1960's. The generation of victims haven't even died out, let alone that their offspring suffered greatly because of the poverty of their parents. This backlash will take generations to overcome.
     
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    How ironic, your marching for blacks I mean.:cheerleader:
     
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    All of mankind should stop looking for handouts, not just blacks.
     
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    So your suggesting your better than black people because your white right?
     
  7. Marine1

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    That's bull (*)(*)(*)(*). Go back on the next page and look at that picture I put up of our kitchen, Mom,Dad and sister. There was 8 of us and we were as poor as any Black family. But we stayed together as a family and stayed out of trouble and pulled ourselves up. Back then there was no welfare or food stamps. Blacks are poor because there having 80% of their kids growing up without father to guide them. They're quitting school, getting in gangs and committing crimes. Put all that together, it's no damn wonder most are poor.
     
  8. Marine1

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    I'm suggesting that fathers stay and help support their family. That they be a father in their life. Keep them in school, keep them from having so many kids without fathers. Stay out of gangs and stay out of trouble and work hard. What people have been doing for hundreds of years. They do that, they will make it.
     
  9. notme

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    No it's not.
    The US was a full fledged apartheidstate till the 1960's. Racial discrimination was fine and legal. It kept the entire black community in poverty. There is still a generation around who are were brought up in that and are poor because of that. And African Americans mid 40's all got raised up by that generation who were kept in poverty because of apartheid. They were held back, because on average their parents could not afford to pay them good private schools / could not send them to college. And since it's hard to escape this poverty cycle, it does mean that what the Caucasians and Jews did to the African-Americans will echo on for generations to come.


    Their schools on average are sh*t, because the get funded by local taxes / the local community is poor. So they can't compete against children from better schools to get a scholarship. They are too poor to pay for college themselves,.. hence they are on average stuck on the social ladder. While the entire theme from the caucasians and jews who are responsible to have kept the African-Americans in poverty during the apartheid eraso they got rich and send their kids to private schools and top college's, is all about: f*ck you! I'm not going to pay sh*t to undo that wrong.
     
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    It's bull (*)(*)(*)(*). 50 years have gone by sense then. There is 6 of us kids and none went to college. I'm a high school drop out. I quit school to go into the Marines with 4 of my buddies. But Mom wouldn't sign for me unless I promised to at least get a GED, which is all I have. When I got out I worked several jobs. For a couple of years worked two jobs to get a down payment on a house. In 15 years of marriage to my first wife I only missed two days work. Only missed 4 days in 31 years with my second wife. I worked hard, saved every dime I could, never got in trouble or got on drugs. We made it. All my brothers and sisters made it. No one grew up any damn poorer than my family and I think that picture shows it.
     
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    Well if that's all you got out of it, it's no wonder you can't understand. Like my Sister said, you can't fix stupid.
     
  12. notme

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    When slavery and apartheid kept the entire race of millions in utter poverty to benefit others, than it will take centuries to even out when the races who benefited from it refuses to do a thing about the artificially created social/economical disaster.


    Yeah well. My brother was a drug addict from his 16th till 28th year, but still graduated with a phd in economics. Because my dad can afford it. Thats how easy life gets with money. And from what I read,... you didn't made anything with your "not being any damn poorer" than my previous generation. Unlike my deadbeat ex drug addicted brother. He doesn't even pay rent you know. My dad owns his house. So he misses work frequently to go on vacation.
     
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    You seem confused. I never commented upon either.

    I noted that some folks get excited when a wealthy celebrity happens to express a personal opinion that fits with their thinking.

    I don't believe that either money or fame automatically makes anyone a universal authority, but I support their right to opine all they wish, whether it's a pope delivering the message of the Christian faith or a rich guy that played with a ball sharing his thoughts.
     
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    Excuse after excuse. this isn't 1860 or 1950. Blacks have been given all kinds of help since 1960's. The trouble with Blacks is no fathers, no schooling, getting into to much trouble and not wanting to work. To many willing to live on welfare.
     
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    Because your white you got that job because you were white you got into that school because you were white you go into what you describe as upper middle class meanwhile a black man who grew upon worst conditions than you, worked harder than you and achieved more than yet you Consider him lesser of a person than you, simply because he's black

    There are black WOMEN who have grown up in far more poverty than you and achieved more than you
     
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    Up until the late 1980's black people couldn't get mortgages too buy houses in white neighborhoods sure they could buy the houses for flat out cash but they couldn't get mortgages. It was caller red lining mortgages
     
  18. notme

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    Apartheid ended in the 1960's, not 1950's.

    A person born in the 1950's got raised up in the apartheid era, where black people went to their 2nd class schools and could not go to college. Those people are in their 70's now. They ended up living their lives on average, far below the poverty line. They, on average, could not send their children, now age 50 to 40, to good schools or college. And so this is again passed on to the next generation. Take a hint.

    Putting a couple in college with positive discrimination,... does not put a dent in the millions and millions of people who ended up real poor because of slavery and apartheid. That should go without saying. But I guess you need "a bit" of help.


    Yeah, because living on welfare is exactly like living the life in a white middle class suburb.
     
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    I got the job because I knew how to do it. I got my GED because I was willing to study, pay the fee and take the tests. Many Blacks got their job because the government says if you have a contract with the government, a certain percentage of their hires has to be minorities. They have been given priority in schooling, etc. Isn't it odd that Blacks have held every office in government, except V.P. That many own businesses? How in the world were they able to do that? Don't tell me Blacks couldn't own homes in White neighborhoods till 1980's. There were two on our block and I know damn well they didn't pay cash for it. Bank would give out loans to anyone if they met the bank guidelines to borrow. Most didn't, until Clinton forced the banks to lower their guidelines. Yes, there are Blacks that have worked harder and made out better than I have and if they can do it, so can many others. But they aren't going to do it getting a police record, having kids with out the father there to help, or not willing to work.
     
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    You want to live a life of a White Middle Class than do what you have to, to do it. Blacks make up 13% of the population, yet commit over 50% of major crime in this country. Their Mothers have 75%-80% of fatherless Children. They have the second largest drop out rate. There is your problem. Fix those and watch how much better they do.
     
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    I know enough about business to know that if you're paying more to make product and advertise it than you're selling it for you are going to go broke.

    Profit margins have to be higher than that to keep afloat. Simple principles.
     
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    Conservatives always love finding random black guys who are willing to "criticize" black people, but if a white person were to criticize other white people, the same right wing dolts would be hollering and screaming "white guilt", "self loathing white", etc. Oh, and if a black celebrity says anything negative about the "white community"? That black celebrity becomes an enemy to conservatives forever. It's an interesting yet predictable double standard the right has going on.
     
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    The economic milieu in which the War on Poverty arose is noteworthy. As of 1965, the number of Americans living below the official poverty line had been declining continuously since the beginning of the decade and was only about half of what it had been fifteen years earlier. Between 1950 and 1965, the proportion of people whose earnings put them below the poverty level, had decreased by more than 30%. The black poverty rate had been cut nearly in half between 1940 and 1960. In various skilled trades during the period of 1936-59, the incomes of blacks relative to whites had more than doubled. Further, the representation of blacks in professional and other high-level occupations grew more quickly during the five years preceding the launch of the War on Poverty than during the five years thereafter.

    Despite these trends, the welfare state expanded dramatically after LBJ's statement. Between the mid-Sixties and the mid-Seventies, the dollar value of public housing quintupled and the amount spent on food stamps rose more than tenfold. From 1965 to 1969, government-provided benefits increased by a factor of 8; by 1974 such benefits were an astounding 20 times higher than they had been in 1965. Also as of 1974, federal spending on social-welfare programs amounted to 16% of America’s Gross National Product, a far cry from the 8% figure of 1960. By 1977 the number of people receiving public assistance had more than doubled since 1960.


    The most devastating by-product of the mushrooming welfare state was the corrosive effect it had (along with powerful cultural phenomena such as the feminist and Black Power movements) on American family life, particularly in the black community.
 As provisions in welfare laws offered ever-increasing economic incentives for shunning marriage and avoiding the formation of two-parent families, illegitimacy rates rose dramatically.

    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1672

    ltimately affect children in numerous tragic ways:

    * 63 percent of youth suicides are from fatherless homes
    * 90 percent of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes
    * 85 percent of all children who show behavior disorders come from fatherless homes
    * 80 percent of rapists with anger problems come from fatherless homes
    * 71 percent of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes
    * 75 percent of all adolescent patients in chemical-abuse centers come from fatherless homes
    * 85 percent of all youths in prison come from fatherless homes

    These statistics apply to African-American homes in disproportionate numbers. Compared with the 72 percent in our communities, 17 percent of Asians, 29 percent of whites, 53 percent of Hispanics and 66 percent of Native Americans were born to unwed mothers in 2008, the most recent year for which government figures are available. The rate for the overall U.S. population was 41 percent.

    http://www.theroot.com/articles/cul...namerican_children_born_to_unwed_mothers.html
     
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    Liberals love to put the blame on everything except the real problem. They don't want to talk about fatherless children or the high criminal record or high dropout rate. It's always something, or someone else. But dodge it as you will, until your ready to face reality and do something about it, your never going to raise Blacks out of poverty.
     
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    Carry your butt over there and wait for it then.

    All people should ask less often, what can my corrupt politicians can do for me and ask instead , what can I do to reduce the number of corrupt politicians.


    Fuggin duh!
     

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