NBA Hall of Famer: Black people need to stop looking for handouts

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  1. dad2three

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    Perhaps the single greatest force behind the growth of the prison population has been the national "War on Drugs."

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    The relative distribution of the prison population in the U.S. is concentrated mostly in the southern states. Louisiana, Alabama, and Oklahoma have the highest number of inmates per 100,000 residents:



    On June 17, 1971, President Richard Nixon declared a "War on Drugs". What followed was a surge in spending on law enforcement and a host of new federal and state policies that included harsher penalties for drug related crimes. Mandatory minimum sentences were established increasing jail terms even for first time offenders. Prisons quickly became over-crowded and began rapidly expanding as to accommodate the surging convictions.



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    Florida police accused of racial profiling after stopping man 258 times, charging him with trespassing at work

    In the last four years Earl Sampson, 28, has been questioned by police 258 times, searched more than 100 times, jailed 56 times, and arrested for trespassing 62 times. The majority of these citations occurred at his place of work, a Miami Gardens convenience store where the owner says police are racially profiling.


    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...mes-charge-trespassing-work-article-1.1526422
     
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    I have taken you in just the last week Dad, to be a very smart person. But this statement was very dumb. I didn't just blame the war on poverty did I?
     
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    Forget the war on drugs and you still have Blacks committing the most major crimes in America. and they only make up 13% of the population.
     
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    " The most devastating by-product of the mushrooming welfare state was the corrosive effect it had (along with powerful cultural phenomena such as the feminist and Black Power movements) on American family life, particularly in the black community.
 As provisions in welfare laws offered ever-increasing economic incentives for shunning marriage and avoiding the formation of two-parent families, illegitimacy rates rose dramatically."


    NAH *shaking head*
     
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    Now what would cause that do you think?
     
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    You mean POOR people commit crimes? Weird

    I know let's incarcerate them at 800% higher rates than non poor and see what happens right? lol

    HAS CRIME INCREASED OVER THE PAST 30+ YEARS AT THE RATE OF INCARCERATION? OR ABOUT 300% FASTER?



    The Prison Industry in the United States: Big Business or a New Form of Slavery?

    There are approximately 2 million inmates in state, federal and private prisons throughout the country. According to California Prison Focus, “no other society in human history has imprisoned so many of its own citizens.” The figures show that the United States has locked up more people than any other country: a half million more than China, which has a population five times greater than the U.S.



    The prison industry complex is one of the fastest-growing industries in the United States and its investors are on Wall Street.

    CRIME GOES DOWN, JAIL POPULATION GOES UP

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-pr...es-big-business-or-a-new-form-of-slavery/8289

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    RACISM...
     
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    You shake your head all you want. But it's the break up of the family unit that causes high school drop outs. That causes high crime, that allows girls to have children without fathers, which causes more and more poverty and attitude of many Blacks. As I said, just take away the drug arrests and you still have Blacks committing the majority of major crimes in this country.
     
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    This study of violent crime in deprived neighbourhoods in Cleveland, Ohio, found that reductions in poverty led to reductions in the crime rate in exactly the same way in predominantly black and white areas, suggesting poverty, not race, is the biggest factor.


    http://www88.homepage.villanova.edu/lance.hannon/Forthcoming in the Journal of Poverty.pdf

    POVERTY, NOT RACE, TIED TO HIGH CRIME RATES IN URBAN COMMUNITIES

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    Poverty huh? lol... I hear the race baiting Bubba
     
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    There was more poor before the War on Poverty, but crime was way down compared to what it was after. That was because the family unit was together.
     
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    Further, extremely disadvantaged neighborhoods have relatively few working- and middle-class families to serve as social buffers cushioning the effect of uneven and poor economic conditions. This impedes the ability of communities to sustain basic institutional structures and various sources of social control. . These qualitatively distinct features of the social environment lead to unusually high levels of crime.


    http://faculty.washington.edu/matsueda/courses/587/readings/Krivo Peterson 1996.pdf

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    Weird you skipped right over Nixon's/Ronnie's war on the poor called the war on drugs!
     
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    Father-absent families—black and white alike—generally occupy the bottom rung of our society’s economic ladder. Unwed mothers, regardless of their race, are four times more likely to live in poverty than the average American. Female-headed black families earn only 36 percent as much as two-parent black families, and female-headed white families earn just 46 percent as much as two-parent white families. Not only do unmarried mothers tend to earn relatively little, but their households are obviously limited to a single breadwinner—thus further widening the income gap between one-parent and two-parent families. Fully 85 percent of all black children in poverty live in single-parent, mother-child homes.

    While the overall black poverty rate remains about two-and-a-half times higher than the white poverty rate (24 percent vs. 10 percent), the “face” of black poverty has changed dramatically in recent decades. At one time, almost all black families were poor, regardless of whether one or both parents were present. Today, however, two-parent black families are rarely poor. Among black families where both the husband and wife work full-time, the current poverty rate is a mere 2 percent. Moreover, the relatively small (13 percent) income disparity between black and white two-parent families completely disappears when we take into account such factors as occupational choices, educational attainment, age, geographic location, and comparative skills

    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/v...ry.asp?id=1261
     
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    Why is crime so much higher now than it was before Johnson's Great Society? While it's down compared to 20-30 years ago per thousand, it's nowhere near as low as it was in the 1950's and 60's per thousand.

    Murder
    1991 – 24,700
    1962 – 8,530
    2010 – 14,748

    Rape
    1992 – 109,060
    1960 – 17,190
    2010 – 84,767

    Assault
    1993 – 1,135,610
    1960 – 154,320
    2010 – 778,901

    Burglary
    1980 – 3,795,200
    1960 – 912,100
    2010 – 2,159,878

    Vehicle Theft
    1991 – 1,661,700
    1960 – 328,200
    2010 – 737,142

    http://leftcall.com/4557/u-s-crime-r...-surprise-you/
     
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    The higher rate of crime in black versus white neighborhoods is thus due to the greater poverty and related hardships that blacks experience compared to whites, which is described in great detail here and especially here


    This is particularly true in the case of drug arrests, as discussed in detail here and here. And some of this imbalance is due to outright racial discrimination by police. For example, the New York Times in an editorial Nov. 26, 2014 wrote:



    "News accounts have strongly suggested, for example, that the police in St. Louis County’s many municipalities systematically target poor and minority citizens for street and traffic stops — partly to generate fines — which has the effect of both bankrupting and criminalizing whole communities. In this context, the police are justifiably seen as an alien, occupying force that is synonymous with state-sponsored abuse."



    http://www.pdrboston.org/#!crime/cpe3

    YOUR LINK DOESN'T WORK, THE PROPAGANDA YOU SPEW,. I'M NOT SURPRISED
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    Here is a WORKING link

    A guide to the political left??? lol




    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1261

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    Yes, DON'T try to critically think or EVER be honest Bubba....
     
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    Weird, you skipped right over the fact that, taking away the drug arrests, Blacks still commit the majority of major crime in this country. Do you think the war on drugs was just aimed at Blacks? Is anyone forcing them to take it or sell it? The plain fact is, when the family unit is together, crime, school drop outs, and poverty is less. Today, two parent Black families, both working is not that far off from Whites on the economic ladder.
     
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    More of the usual forum racist rhetoric. Nobody ever gave me a damn thing and guess what genius my son graduates from HS this year and is going off to college and none of us have 20K rims on our car. I get sick of hearing the racist stereotypes, come up with something new.
     
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    Your boy said he was going to stop the wars then waited to do so. Cry to him lefty.

    Here's how the ******* war on poverty has failed......

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    That's BS, according to the DOJ whites commit 68% of the crimes committed in this country.

    For the most part it is.

    That is in any segment of folks in this country.
     
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    Achievements? :eekeyes::alcoholic:

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    I don't lie. Never been caught in a lie in all my years on discussion boards. Not that I don't make mistakes, I do, but I don't lie. Like I have told you many times Dad, you don't know the true meaning of a lie. You keep proving it over and over again
     
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    The link does work, I just opened it. Just keep paging down
     
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    AGAIN, YOU skip over the study (poverty) on HONESTY and critical thinking and go straight to the dog whistle the right loves. I'm shocked...
     
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    "the nation's poverty rate was cut in half, from 22.2 percent in 1960 to an all time low of 11.1 percent by 1973. Most dramatic was the decline of poverty among the elderly, from 35.2 percent in 1959 to 14.6 percent in 1974, thanks to enactment of Medicare in 1965 and cost-of-living increases for Social Security. The poverty rate among African Americans fell from 55.1 percent in 1959 (when most blacks still lived in the rural South) to 41.8 percent in 1966 (when blacks were an increasingly urban group) to 30.3 percent by 1974."

    Just above 15 percent live below the poverty line today - some percentage points below that 1960s rate. It's still too high but as Drier notes, " without anti-poverty programs, the nation's poverty rate would be twice as large. But to make greater headway in reducing poverty, we need to combine targeted anti-poverty programs with broader policies to revitalize the economy, create more good-paying jobs, and reduce the nation's disastrous gap between the super-rich and everyone else. We need a policy agenda to share prosperity."


    http://obsdailyviews.blogspot.com/2014/01/war-on-poverty-50-years-later.html


    PLEASE show me WITH LINKS "my boy" (dog whistles AGAIN from the right, shocking!) saying that? LOL
     
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    Don't give me that crap on critical thinking. Your not even trying to think strait on this. I posted the main reasons Blacks are still in poverty and it's backed up by study after study. The biggest, but not the only problem that keeps Blacks in poverty is the break up of the Family unit.
     

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