NCA raid suspected gun factory in south London

The first Firearms Act was in 1920. There were significant restrictions brought in 1968, which were expanded in 1997 (though it still wasn't a complete ban).

The fact remains that there haven't been huge changes in the general principles, policy or culture surrounding firearms in the UK for around 100 years. It simply isn't anything like the same issue it is in the US which is why we don't have anything like the same answers.

 

it sure is more newsworthy than the threads several gun banners constantly start that involve a gun shot murder and claim it is national news

 

and the real winner

Those who are not deterred by the consequences of committing mass murder-will be stopped if we just pass a gun law

 

gun banners invariably project themselves and their views onto others. If they find shooting targets boring, everyone else must find so too. and more annoying, most gun banners don't trust themselves to handle guns safely so they want to pass laws preventing PEOPLE JUST LIKE THEM from using firearms

 

The fact still remains, the regular person (subject?) can't carry a weapon, any kind of weapon for self defense.

You all are slaves to your government. That's not the case in The United States and no, you don't have the answers.

We live here, but the Brits and the Aussies simply insist that you have the cure-all and we don't know ****...lol

 

Sure, but we largely have no great desire or need to either. If that ever changes, those laws could be easily amended again.

I never said we have all the answers or any "cure-all". The point is that whatever the right answers are, they will still be different right answers between the UK and the USA (or anywhere else). And, of course, this thread is entirely about the situation in the UK.

 

Same silly argument dressed up in different phrasing. 'Stopping' gun deaths isn't the point of firearm law reform. The 'point' is that effective laws reduce them.

Nor for that matter are mass shootings the key problem since they represent only a tiny proportion of total deaths and injuries due to firearms.

 

If you had no great desire, then there wouldn't have been any need to ban guns.

Easily amended at the muzzle of a rifle, maybe. You've surrendered your rights to the government and there's no way you'll get them back at the ballot box. You'll have to go to the cartridge box.

Buuuuuuuulshit. It's all we ever hear from you people, "if you would just be like us"...lol

 

Not from me you haven't. Why do you assume all British people are the same?

 

There not. Some of the are Welsh...

 

related thread: Young man in UK sentenced to 8.5 years for making crude gun

 

If the only strategy for “self defence” is to have a gun then you might as well hand a shovel to the undertaker

 

how is a malum prohibitum law going to deter someone who ignores the consequences of committing malum per se offenses

 

I bet if you could put a hard mathematical number on your chances of being shot in the USA you would probably have a better chance of hitting a hole in one and being struck by lightning in the same day.

I only personally know one person who has been shot and he shot himself in the leg by accident.

 

Ooooooh! Scary! Dat boogey mans is here again! The completely fictional “gun banner”. I keep trying to find one and Al I keep coming up with are people who want to reduce gun deaths with sensible legislation

 

Over what time period?

 

I do not understand how that does not piss off the average UK citizen.

What the wealthy and politically connected are telling them is that their life is not as important and it is not as worthy as the same degree of self-defense as their lives are.

And the same goes for a UK citizens family as well

 

Rounded off to a year for argument's sake.

Like I said I don't personally know anyone who has been shot with the exception that I mentioned.

If it was such a grave threat and common occurrence then surely having been born and raised in the United States my entire life I should know of at least a handful of cases

 

Head down to your local gun shop and buy a handgun.... Oh that's right you can't do it.

Because of gun banners

 

what's really funny is your anti gun views are based on your hate of the NRA

 

sheep are conditioned to like being sheared.

 

Really? How about exactly the same way any law works to reduce risky/dangerous behaviors. By imposing penalties that deter the majority of people from committing the crimes in question or make it harder for them to commit them. Speed limits and penalties for breaking them don't stop all people from speeding but they do disincentive the majority of people from doing so most of the time.

Where did this bizarre idea come from that if a specific law doesn't prevent ALL people from committing a certain crime ALL the time it should not be enacted?

 

why don't you tell me why someone who is not deterred by the most serious penalty in criminal law, will be deterred by a lesser penalty. .

you just don't get it-those who intend to commit murder aren't deterred by gun laws. those intent on running people over with cars don't worry about speeding laws.

 

Those who are determined to commit murder will do so regardless of whether firearms are available to them or not albeit firearms make it easier to commit by virtue of their nature/intended purpose.

In general however jurisdictions with strong firearms licensing/regulation see reduced numbers of people who will acquire firearms without good reason because those people won't be bothered meeting the standards of training and the usage rules imposed. In addition people who do meet the requirements end up valuing their shooting licenses in the same way drivers value their drivers licenses. As as a result firearm owners try very hard not to lose them the same way drivers try not to lose theirs i.e. by not to engaging in behaviors that would see their licenses cancelled. Or if you prefer people tend not to value what they get for free.

The result are vastly reduced numbers of firearm deaths per head of population compared to the US and a lower murder rate overall. (The overall US murder rate is something like 7 times higher than its western peers.)

 

DC and Chicago destroy that argument: attempts to compare the US with other countries re worthless