Nearly half of Republicans think US has to live with mass shootings, poll finds

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/06/us-mass-shootings-republicans-poll

We saw this hardening of attitude toward death with the COVID pandemic where an increase in death rate was accepted as the “price” for the “freedom” of not having to wear a mask.

But let us look at costs

https://everytownresearch.org/report/the-economic-cost-of-gun-violence/

$280 Billion would go a long long long way to funding a UHC system for the USA because controlling gun violence would minus that amount FROM WHAT YOUR CURRENT MEDICAL COSTS ARE TODAY.

This perhaps, more than the loss of lives should speak to republicans because this cost is being borne by every American.

 

Republicans are the minority. It just seems like a lot because they are so outspoken.

They have the audacity to brag about not wearing masks or getting vaccinated or socially distancing and their arsenal of weapons that make them feel bad and bold and NONE of that is negotiable because of their "rights" but they want to dictate the lives of other people with the exact same inalienable rights.

Maybe it's time to treat them like they treat other minority groups. See how they like being marginalized.

 

Democrats own guns, too.

Are you asking us to give up our guns or allow ever increasing restrictions on guns until we reach an acceptable level of economic impact? How do we make criminals care about this?

 

Right, because Democrats are embracing Republicans now.

 

That money would be better spent rounding up criminals and making sure they stay in prison.

 

In a word: yes.

 

This means everyone will pay for intensely increased security with all the trimmings. Something somewhere will have to be taxed in order to protect weapons from us.

 

Prisons have had large releases of of inmates because they can't afford to house them all.

The is largely the result of the war on drugs.

 

Nobody is born a criminal. They are made so that money would be even better spent helping people BEFORE they become criminals.

 

How much does it cost to deal with the aftermath of the crime currently being prevented by armed citizens?

Its mostly a rhetorical question, since its impossible to determine. But given FBI (or DOJ, I cant remember which) studies indicate a majority of incarcerated felons report having avoided crime when they suspected their victims are likely armed, armed citizens has some inhibitory effect on crime. 'Crimes not committed' are impossible to count or assign a dollar value to. But there is some unknowable amount of crime that is prevented by people being armed that would otherwise require more police, more aftermath, more funding if criminals knew everyone was perpetually defenseless. In the worlds second most populous nation, that amount could easily be as high or higher than the $280B/yr you cite (which, BTW is clearly including some crime [like suicide, for example] that was committed with firearms but not because of firearms, and thus would still happen even if magically no one had any guns).

 

they won't say that part out loud, though.

 

RWNJ brainwashing techniques are highly effective.

 

They're starting to become more honest about the real intentions.

 

If the Leftists would stop trying to destroy the nuclear family, there would be fewer criminals. But, promoting the creation of the nuclear family is counterproductive to the Left's agenda.

 

Only 1%



Says it all really


https://www.thetrace.org/2020/04/gun-safety-research-coronavirus-gun-sales/

You really are better off working out ways to defend yourself WITHOUT a gun

 

Bunkum!
I have been saying “the quiet part” out loud and clear for YEARS.

But this “slippery slope” argument is pure and utter rubbish on a stick.

 

Not asking you to “give up your guns” but I do ask

Do you think that the firearm mortality rate in the US is acceptable? Are school shootings just “the price of freedom”?

 

I’d say we will have to live with mass shootings as long as we take the bandaid approach to them. Did you realize between 1900-1970 there were 28 mass shootings with 17 of them occurring during the Al Capone gangster era? Since 1970 we’ve had around 200. That should tell all of us something. Prior to 1970 most mass shootings were familicides or felony related. Since 1970 most mass shootings were done in public places against unknown and innocent bystanders.


https://www.globalresearch.ca/mass-shootings-in-america-a-historical-review/5355990


Although gun control may limit the damage somewhat, maybe. It won’t stop them. We’re looking at the wrong thing. I’d find out what went wrong in our society. Why mass shootings were very rare pre-1970 to very commonplace after 1970. We had very little gun control laws pre-1970 outside one had to have a federal permit to own or buy a machine gun. Now we have a ton and mass shootings just gets worse and worse. Until we’re willing to delve deep into our society to find out where we made a wrong turn, these mass shooting, killings will only increase. There has to be a cause, a reason, we have to want to find that cause, that reason, we won’t find it with gun control and only gun control. Perhaps we don’t want to find the reason, the cause. We’re too scared of what that cause might be. It’s to easy to take the bandaid approach. That give all of us a free pass. Finding out where we went wrong as a society would make all of responsible for them. But we can’t fix the problem if we don’t know what is causing the problem. Since we don’t want to know, then we must live with mass shootings. Very simple.

 

You aren't a Democratic legislator or leader, nor are you even a registered Democrat.

Australia passed the NFA in 1996. Did that solve the problem, or have Australia passed more gun laws since?

 

Actually it DID solve the problem! Look up how many mass shootings per year we have compared to you

And there are more guns owned by private owners now than there was in 1996.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-44105129

Contrary to what the NRA would have you believe you can still own a gun in Australia

You just can’t be a twit and own a gun

 

You still have mass shootings. Do you think that the folks demanding "no more mass shootings" here will be satisfied with "fewer mass shootings"?

If it solved the problem, why did the government need to create another gun control law in 2002? Why did they need to offer an amnesty to NFA 1996 laws in 2016?

Some twit in Melbourne owned a gun in 2019 and in Darwin the same year.

We really don't care what you did in Australia, as those laws wouldn't be Constitutional in the US. Since it's highly unlikely that our Constitution will change, gun control advocates such as yourself should focus on what would work within the framework of the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and SCOTUS decisions.

 

Ignorant of the question, possibly deliberately so. What part of 'avoided committing the crime when victim is armed' confused you? Thats not people getting shot, thats criminals practicing self preservation.

 

we will never end it, but we can try to make it harder to accomplish

same is true of people killing others with trucks during a protest, ect......

 

What do you think the Left is doing to destroy the nuclear family?

I don't agree with that statement but I'd like to try to understand your perspective.

 

thinks this through

and gun banners want the same war on guns