New Orleans to remove 4 Confederate statues

Well I know the first slave holder was black. Liberals hate hearing the truth, that's why they adopted cultural-marxism and revisionist history.

 

The March To The Sea was NOTHING like McVey who was outright a mass murderer terrorist. Clearly by your view you condemn and hate the US militarily intensely for ever war its been in. Hatred of the military is very popular these days.

 

Yes, you are a person who believes every white person on earth all acted 100% identical to all white everywhere. All white people were Nazis, all genocidal killers and all were slaveowners in your opinion, correct? All Native Americans also were identical as well as you claim.

In fact, the safest place for most runaway slaves to flee to was among certain Native American tribes. A primary justification of Andrew Jackson for wars against NAs is that they were harboring and sheltering runaway black slaves. But I'm confident you have no idea what I am referring to.

You have absolutely NO clue what you are posting about, do you? Just 1950s cowboy movies combined with Stormfront history in your messages on these topics. Simplistic, pointless crap.

Bigots and racists HATE true history.

 

I think he was talking about the my lai incident in Vietnam...and you appear to be talking about the oklahoma bombing.

 

I know.

 

It is pick and choose. The political correct crowd act as if the United States was the only country in the world that practiced slavery. By 1865 you still had have the countries around the world engaging in slavery. Heck, it wasn't until 2003 and 2007 that the last two countries in Africa finally outlawed slavery, made it a crime. This too is ignored.

 

Well, aren't cute doing that negro dialect.

I'm so tired of knocking that piece of idiocy down/

No, the first slave owner in America was not a black man, and no,slavery was not legally established by a black African in Virginia in 1655,

And before you think you're going to Anthony *gotcha* me on this, be warned. It's been tried by better posters, for years now -- and they all lost.

 

The truth hurts doesn't it ? That's why the radical left engages in revisionist history.

You ever heard of the Oatman girls ? They were first captured by the Chiricahua Apache and were used as slaves and were sold from tribe to tribe into slavery. http://www.historynet.com/apache-captives-ordeal.htm

Now the Comanches didn't practice slavery. Captives were only taken for breeding stock or if a young preteen white male to be raised and trained to be a warrior. Bloodlines weren't that important to the Comanche, anyone could become a member of the tribe. One of the most famous Comanche chiefs was Chief Parker a half breed. His mother was a white woman who was captured for breeding stock. She wasn't a slave but became a member of the tribe.

 

It wasn't the only country, but by 1865, it was one of the last of first world countries -- and pretty much all of them abolished slavery peacefully.

It's a pretty wretched indictment on the South they were one of the few places in the world that would fight to the bloody death one of the worst wars in history to preserve human bondage.

 

My error, but the same point. Sherman's troops didn't not charge into Southern towns killing every man, woman and child. However, this was a common tactic against NAs in the West, as was using women and children as human shields.

 

LOL … Google: Teilhard de Chardin ...

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The native indigenous peoples of North America were and are sovereign independent nations …

 

The historical facts remain that the Confederates were traitors to The United States … and losers ...

 

Keep this under your hat, we just tell them that to make them feel good. A lot of free stuff also seems to help some.

 

This is an excellent point. Slavery existed where the US is before the US existed. Once something is part of the economic system it is very difficult to get rid of it. By the 1800s slavery had an effect on the political system as well as being a big part of the economy. Money and political power can make anything difficult to stop.

 

To claim all NA nations were the same makes as much sense as claiming all white nations are identical in practices and histories.

 

A classic case of political reality vs. hmmmmm whut? language? myth?

 

Many people think the Civil War of 1860-1865 was fought over one issue alone, slavery. Nothing could actually be further from the truth. The War Between the States began because the South demanded States' rights and were not getting them.

The Congress at that time heavily favored the industrialized northern states to the point of demanding that the South sell is cotton and other raw materials only to the factories in the north, rather than to other countries. The Congress also taxed the finished materials that the northern industries produced heavily, making finished products that the South wanted, unaffordable. The Civil War should not have occurred. If the Northern States and their representatives in Congress had only listened to the problems of the South, and stopped these practices that were almost like the taxation without representation of Great Britain, then the Southern states would not have seceded and the war would not have occurred.

I know for many years, we have been taught that the Civil War was all about the abolition of slavery, but this truly did not become a major issue, with the exception of John Brown's raid on Harper's Ferry, until after the Battle of Antietam in September 1862, when Abraham Lincoln decided to free the slaves in the Confederate States in order to punish those states for continuing the war effort. The war had been in progress for two years by that time.

Most southerners did not even own slaves nor did they own plantations. Most of them were small farmers who worked their farms with their families. They were fighting for their rights. They were fighting to maintain their lifestyle and their independence the way they wanted to without the United States Government dictating to them how they should behave.

Why are we frequently taught then, that the Civil War, War of Northern Aggression, War Between the States, or whatever you want to call it, was solely about slavery? That is because the history books are usually written by the winners of a war and this war was won by the Union. However, after following my family around since I was just a year old to Civil War Living History scenarios in Gettysburg and elsewhere, I have listened to both sides of the story, from those portraying historical figures, both Union and Confederate. Through listening to these people and also reading many different books, including some of the volumes of The Official Records of the Civil War, Death in September, The Insanity of It All, Every Day Life During the Civil War, and many others, I have come to the conclusion that the Civil War was about much more than abolishing the institution of slavery.

It was more about preserving the United States and protecting the rights of the individual, the very tenets upon which this country was founded. I personally think that the people who profess that the Civil War was only fought about slavery have not read their history books. I really am glad that slavery was abolished, but I don't think it should be glorified as being the sole reason the Civil War was fought. There are so many more issues that people were intensely passionate about at the time. Slavery was one of them, but it was not the primary cause of the war. The primary causes of the war were economics and states' rights.

Slavery was a part of those greater issues, but it was not the reason the Southern States seceded from the Union, nor fought the Civil War. It certainly was a Southern institution that was part of the economic system of the plantations, and because of that, it was part and parcel of the economic reasons that the South formed the Confederacy. The economic issue was one of taxation and being able to sell cotton and other raw materials where the producers wanted to, rather than where they were forced to, and at under inflated prices. Funny, it sounds very much like the reason we broke from Great Britain to begin with. The South was within their rights, but there should have been another way to solve the problem. If they had been willing to listen to Abraham Lincoln, perhaps the war could have been avoided. Lincoln had a plan to gradually free the slaves without it further hurting the plantation owners. He also had a plan to allow them to sell their products anywhere they wanted to and at a fair price. They did not choose to listen to the President, however, so they formed the Confederacy and the Civil War began.

 

No Arabs were involved in the slave trade as were most African tribes. The US sure didnt invent slavery.

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Maybe to you.

 

If this is the case, then any revolutionaries would have to be considered Traitors, including George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin and all the rest of our founding fathers. All were born under the rule of the British empire and rebelled against it's authority yet they are considered "Heroes". Apparently to those of your ilk.... the charge of "Traitor" depends upon which side wins.

 

Its blacks enslaving blacks and killing blacks that started it.

You can deny it. You can even claim to be black or an indian when your not.

 

I've lived on the rez. In fact I lived on two different reservations. Do you know how many Native Americans I personally know while living on the rez were drafted and sent to Vietnam ?

Do you know how many times I have seen the FBI on the rez conducting investigations ?

The rez doesn't sound so sovereign nation does it ?

 

Oh theres another derogatory term used to stifle debate. The left is so good at that. To bad thats all they have ....insults.

 

And their practice of slavery was the political correct type which is okay to those trying to destroy southern heritage. Delaware and Maryland were slave states until January of 1866 and no one is trying to destroy their heritage, Pennsylvania didn't set their slaves free until 1847, another example of political correct slavery since they were in the north as with Delaware and Maryland? Heck the north let West Virginia join the Union in 1863 as a slave state which wouldn't free their approximately 18,000 slaves until January of 1866. I suppose that was political correct slavery too.

 

Look, I've battled Lost Causers here on political boards for literally ten of thousands of posts, over decades. I make my living in history and work with museums, Library of Congress, the Smithsonian, et al with original documents and source materials.

I'm sick to death of the BS by neo-confederates.

Not going to get into a diatribe on that history - and the records of what the southerners said themselves as to what the war was about. It's clear.

And you should be ashamed of yourself for plagiarizing that piece. You just cut and pasted from others work without attribution.

That's called stealing.

Shame on you.

 

That I did, I suppose I should of said something, but my dander was up. For that I apologize. Sometimes my fingers move faster than my brain.