New Power to the President, Declassify in Mind?

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  1. LangleyMan

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    You asked me when I told you, not when I knew.
     
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    So the answer to my poignant question was a resounding "Yes". It's not hard to say even for Trump spinners.
     
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    If it wasn't for you and your disbelief of my statements, I would not had to do it. As such, if anything good comes of it, you will get a "thank you" from me.

    FYI. I am 77 years old and financially well off. I am a 1-man business and I do not need the small income that comes off of it. My own trading makes more than 10 times per month than what I make from the subscriber fees. I put the business up more for the idea of having something to do with my time and being useful to others than any idea of it being my basis for income. I charge for it (small amount) because things done for free are not usually valued (human nature). There is no reason not to charge for the knowledge I have, which was costly and painfully acquired.
     
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    Ya, so when is the free dinner at Ramada in :)
     
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    Lucky1knows Well-Known Member

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    Answering your accusations by supplying facts is not spamming, advertising, improper quoting or copyright violations. If you had not doubted my words, giving the proof (link to my newsletter - which by the way, it is not a link to the service itself) is not promoting anything.

    It is you that is taking it to where you want to take it (not me).

    One thing for certain though, you are certainly "proving" to all what kind of a person you are. The kind of a person you accuse others of being. The funny thing, is that you did it all on your own without my having to lift a finger to make people see who you are.

    Congratulations, you were successful in making a fool of yourself. One always needs to acknowledge the success of others!
     
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    LMAO, I still doubt your words LOLOL :)

    Like I said, where are all the testimonials from your cliental :)
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Saw some potential in your first statements, thought you might be able to make valuable contributions, help people get a better handle on what we're all dealing with.
    I usually do give people the benefit of the doubt, I know all people are potentially capable of mastering their own minds and thinking. Hardly the first time my optimism has been misplaced, nor will it be the last.
    I do research things I address, but I do that differently than you. I don't search for what I want to find, I don't confirm my research by doubling down with more of the same. No research is flawless, and I rely on a few absolutely fundamental principles as my primary instrument of measure. I didn't write these rules- nature did. Kind of the equivalent of the mathematical Pi. Not anyone's opinion; one of nature's fundamental principals. No compromise; you either use it correctly or your conclusions are wrong. Life has principals as clear and consistent as Pi. I live by them. Have for more than 40 years; took about 20 to figure it out- and many psychologists have come to my classes when I was teaching it to learn how to use them to help their clients. Every living thing in nature understands them, except people- who are too smart to know they aren't. Biggest challenge of life is figuring that out, and most will not. I am a very fortunate exception, and I use what I know to try and help others become so. Once in awhile, a person ready for that transition comes along. Those that are, ask how. Those that aren't tell you how you don't understand anything. Nobody can change that except themselves.

    Respectful- is given in the beginning, the assumption the other party is due it,. and I did. Beyond that, the path you take, the values you hold dictate what is appropriate. Unearned respect is not a compliment, it's recognition you can be manipulated by people who find that useful. The only respect that matters is self-respect, and the only way to get that is to earn it from yourself. IF you have it, nobody owns you- but most will genuinely respect you. If you don't... things are a lot different. Wish you well with that.
     
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    Obama love himself the most
     
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    So Biden can classify document simply by thinking it. As people as saying.

    What logic?
    Many documents trump stole were not to the office of the president. Therefore not part of his control.
    Not ever gov't document is in the control of the president.

    This thought argument about classify/declassify is simple pure BS.
     
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    I see, it's just make up a process on the spot without regards to what the document is or who it is that may see it.
    Sorry, that sounds like pure BS.
    It's a terrible defense. But I guess its all he's got.
     
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    Remember what trump said of his supporters?
    He could shoot someone in the middle of 5th Ave and not lose any supporters.

    That should tell you right there how thy feel about law and order of the USA.
     
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    How nice.
    Justifying being a dishonest person.
    This is now a trump supporter position?
    Whataboutism?
     
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    Is that why you're not demanding it of others as well?
    Is that why you're justifying trump actions?
     
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    That is what being the authority on classified information with no specific instructions means.
     
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    I'm not talking about Biden, I am talking about what Trump says. Trump exaggerates, a lot, in every situation you can think of and a few more that you cannot. If Trump ever met you and you told him you are worth $500k, by the end of the night, Trump will be telling people that you are worth $5 billion and you have gone to the moon personally. That is what Trump is and who he is. Most business people I know are honest, but not too honest when it comes to business and they will freely admit that they have failed. Trump to this day says his Vodka company is still extremely successful, like in the present tense, not past tense despite being a defunct company. At least most business owners are honest when it comes to their past, but not Trump and a few others.

    He has claimed he has never failed in business. He has claimed that his book, Art of the Deal, dealt in detail what should have been done with Bin Laden in great detail. He has claimed he has declassified all the documents. Trump said he knows more than his generals. Trump has said he knows more about the economy than economists do. He has said he won the 2020 election. All of these statements are complete falsehoods or extremely misleading. I actually read his book, Art of the Deal, back in the mid 1990s and his economic theories in that book are complete bunk.

    The only "Trump vision" was to make him and a few of his closest friends/family money using the Government. that's it. Nothing more, nothing less. He plays checkers while the rest of the world plays chess or Majong. He is not a detailed person and most successful business people are extremely detailed, down to a fault, especially in the fortune 500 area. PT Burnum would be proud of him, for all the wrong reasons.

    Yes, America does have big problems right now, but it is going to take all of us to solve without the idealogue BS that comes from the far Left/Progressives and the MEGA/Trump crowd. Most of them don't know what the law actually is or what is actually going on. As I said, solving the root problems instead of trying to think of a solution to a symptom of a root problem actually solves the root problem.
     
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    Read carefully. ;-)
     
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    But that is exactly what Trump said in the Hannity interview.
     
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    Personally, I don't think it will reach the Supreme Court. No matter what the Court says, even if it reaches SCOTUS and they affirm Judge Dearie, the 11th Appeals Court, etc, you will still have Trump and his followers either ignore the ruling, misquote the ruling like some 2a advocates have done with the Heller case, or simply make the claim that the SCOTUS is now "part of the deep state."
     
  20. Hey Now

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    Think even more carefully and then re-read and apply critical thinking which is anti-Trumpian thought.
     
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    Having been a business owner for over 50 years, having known and worked with many very successful businessmen- YOU ARE WRONG. A good CEO can successfully manage any kind of business with very little detailed knowledge. Warren Buffet's company owns over 100 companies in every field you can imagine from andy making to machine tools to railroads. I've spent probably 30 hours over the years listening to him in shareholder meetings. He knows what he doesn't know- and he hires the best people to do it. That's what a good businessman knows and does, not the fine details. If you have to know every detail- you are micro-managing your people, and don't qualify as a good businessman or manager.

    Trump was and is a promoter, and as for PT Barnum- he too was a promoter, and a quite successful one. Biden on the other hand is equally successful as a destroyer, but equally or even more divergent from truth. Barnum exaggerated to promote. Biden exaggerates because doesn't know- and he's making it up as he goes along; says what pops into his head at the moment- without thought.
    Biden was a truck driver, that he's been shot at... on and on, yet when you look at what he actually does, and has a very interesting history of claims,:and changes direction as easily as a ping-pong ball in a paint shaker. Here's a few Biden moves for you to add to your list. Notice the consistency of his inconsistency.

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    1970s

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    • Biden led the fight against desegregating schools.
    • As an anti-busing crusader, Biden promoted nearly a dozen pieces of legislation aimed at placing strict limits on federal agencies and the courts’ ability to mandate busing to achieve racial integration in schools.
    • As part of his crusade against the desegregation of schools, he was the only member of the Senate Judiciary Committee to block two Black appointees to the Department of Justice.
    • Biden opposed Roe v. Wade.
    • Biden defeated a 1977 amendment that would have removed all restrictions on federal funding of abortions.
    • Biden voted against abolishing the undemocratic, anachronistic Electoral College. A relic of slavery, the Electoral College undemocratically installed both Bush and Trump.
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    1980s

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    • Biden voted for a conservative constitutional amendment (at the time the National Abortion Rights Action League called it “the most devastating attack yet on abortion rights”) that would allow individual states to overturn Roe v. Wade.
    • Biden introduced the Comprehensive Forfeiture Act of 1983/1984 and the 1984 Comprehensive Crime Control Act which has enabled law enforcement to engage in billions of dollars of “asset seizure”, mainly from poorer Americans.
    • Biden crafted the “Biden Amendment” which barred US aid from being used for biomedical research related to abortions.
    • Years later, Biden intimidated a woman when confronted about his lack of support for reproductive justice.
    • Biden was one of the original architects of the disastrous War on Drugs.
    • Biden built upon his history of racism, from making racist comments to defending segregationists and more segregationists and white supremacists.
    • Biden lied about marching in the Civil Rights Movement.
    • Biden voted for the landmark Reagan tax bill that slashed the top income tax rate from 70 percent to 50 percent and exempted many wealthy families from the estate tax on earned inheritances, a measure that cost the federal government $83 billion in annual revenue.
    • For years, Biden advocated for cuts in social security. After voting for Reagan’s mammoth tax cut for the rich, Biden called for a freeze on federal spending and insisted on including social security in that freeze, even as the Reagan administration fought to protect the program from cuts.
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    1990s

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    • As chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee Biden led an all white, all male committee grilling Anita Hill in excruciating detail, attempting to degrade her character, destroy her credibility, and accuse her of being a liar, an erotomaniac, and a fantasist. Refused to call corroborating witnesses.
    • Biden sexually assaulted Tara Reade. Inappropriate sexual behavior did not start or end with Reade; Biden has a long history of groping, sniffing, and kissing women and young girls without consent. Years later he issued a non-apology where he tried to justify his acts.
    • Biden voted to ban immigrants with HIV, locking up Haitian refugees in Guantanamo Bay.
    • Biden cowrote the racist and disastrous 1994 Crime Bill. The crime bill was one of the key contributors to the problem of mass incarceration that we have today. Years later he bragged about writing the bill.
    • Biden cowrote the Omnibus Counterterrorism Act, which in many ways laid the groundwork for the US Patriot Act, and stripped citizens of a wide range of fundamental civil liberties.
    • Biden opposed equal rights for the LGBTQ community.
    • Biden voted to expand deportations and indefinite detention for immigrants on several occasions.
    • Long before Trump, Biden argued for the unprecedented step of sending military troops to the border.
    • Biden sided with banks to overturn Glass-Steagall and deregulate the banking system, which more than any other factor facilitated the 2008 financial crisis. The crisis resulted in over 10 million Americans losing their homes and the African American community losing half their wealth.
    • Biden was an architect for Plan Colombia, which internationalized the War on Drugs, resulting in the deaths of thousands of civilians, the displacement of over a million people, and the destruction of large swaths of food crops.
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    2000s

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    • Biden voted for the USA Patriot Act, which was an all-out assault on civil liberties.
    • Biden voted for the disastrous Iraq war, a war that cost over 3 trillion dollars, killed over 1 million Iraqis, displaced over 3 million people and injured millions more. Years later, Biden said he would do it again.
    • Biden was a key architect for the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act, which made it more difficult for people to file Chapter 7 bankruptcy, and made it completely impossible to discharge student debt.
    • Biden’s second largest source of contributions was credit card company MBNA, the company most ardently supporting the above bill. MBNA also gave Biden’s son Hunter a job.
    • Biden voted to build border walls along the southwest border of the United States.
    • Biden supported requiring immigrants to learn English in order to get documentation.
    • Continuing on his long history of praising segregationists, Biden gave the eulogy for Strom Thurmond and called him one of his “closest friends.”
    • Biden voted against enhancing the enforcement of labor protections.
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    2010s

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    • Biden helped expand a deportation apparatus that Trump now uses to commit human rights violations by 3,600 percent.
    • Biden worked to undermine reproductive rights by trying to cut mandated coverage for contraception from the Affordable Care Act.
    • The Obama/Biden administration awarded Biden’s brother James’s company a $1.5 billion construction contract, despite having no prior residential construction experience.
    • Biden supported apartheid and ethnic cleaning in Palestine.
    • Biden presented racist, chauvinist, reactionary war criminal John McCain with a Liberty Medal.
    • Biden presented war criminal George Bush with a Liberty Medal.
    • Biden said the CIA torture report was “not a black stain on this country” but rather a “badge of honor.”
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    2020s

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    • Biden thinks that social security needs to be cut, and the eligible age increased.
    • Biden opposes Medicare For All.
    • Biden opposes the legalization of marijuana.
    • Biden opposes meaningful action on the climate crisis, including opposing the Green New Deal.
    • Biden still to this day opposes federal funding for abortion.
    • Biden sides with Trump in backing a right-wing coup in Venezuela.
    • Biden thinks we should increase funding for the police.
    • Biden has promised the bankers that “nothing will change”.
    • Biden has said that he has zero sympathy for millennials.
    • Biden supports sanctions on Venezuela which have resulted in more than 100,000 Venezuelan surplus deaths.
    • Biden has proposed the most regressive cabinet full of hawks, warcriminals and servants to the oligarchs in history, easily exceeding Trump and Obama in sheer evil. Biden is a deficit hawk, opposed to stimulus checks and supported halving them.
    And don’t forget. Biden calls himself a Zionist.


    ( https://www.greanvillepost.com/2021/01/19/bidens-batshit-bullshit/ "
     
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    Think again. ;-)

    "Mostly this seems to me self-indulgent moralizing. It is the kind of conscience that makes speaking-socialist out of rich men's sons, venting a oedipal anger into the public domain, beating one's breast for sins committed by the fathers, confessing without making restitution, foregrounding the "I" and making the "Other" nothing more than an instrument for catharsis. So easily the writing descends into poetic nonsense, if not humbug; a concentration on trivia; indignation run riot in an ivory tower."
    THE PREVALENCE OF DECEIT, F. G. Bailey, Cornell University Press, Ithaca, NY 1991. p 109.
     
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    If Trump declassified documents with names of spies, don't you think the proper agencies should know so that they can take appropriate action to protect those spies?
     
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    Trumpian projection at it's worst as it mimics Russian style divisive propaganda. Neo fascist thinking and destructive to freedom through representation.
     
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    For starters, that is BS. Most do know with a lot of detail of what their company is doing, how well, etc. The ones I am talking about have at least 20 employees or more in their company, they know the industry, they keep tabs on customer choices, etc. It is a must if you want to survive longer than 5 years in any industry. there are some who don't, but they don't survive long in this cut throat business world of ours, do they? And some who are detailed don't either, but they are far less likely to fail than the ones who are not detailed. Most small business owners know one thing well, that is the product they sell or the product they produce. Does not matter if they are a blacksmith of 2 years of experience after an apprenticeship or a company selling corndogs at the county fair for the past decade or so.

    As for the op-ed, you do realize that some of the things on that list the GOP opposes as well. Shall we talk about Medicare for all, anti-busing because of the "woke" environment, the restrictions on federal funding for abortion, aka the Hyde Amendment, that the GOP really love and has always loved, the Comprehensive Forfeiture Act of 1983/1984 was an act that attempted to seize property if a person was charged or convicted of drug charges, and something that the "hard on crime Republicans of the 1980s to this day still love, and I could go on. So, does this mean the GOP is destroyers too because it looks like Biden was acting more like a modern conservative of today than what he did in his past?

    but that is what you get from an op-ed in a website that is pretty much Pro-Putin and Anti-Democratic.
     
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