Next slap for Trump: EU and Japan sign JEFTA!

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  1. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    You want to have facts to buy it finally?

    OK.... hopedully I do not waste my time...

    Actual fuel price in Germany today per Liter (in other EU countries it is +/- some Cents the same...

    http://www.fuel-prices-europe.info/

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    One US Galon are 3.78541 Liter, so simple mathamtics: 1.489 EUR x 3.78541 = 5.64 EUR for one Galon fuel.
    1.00 EUR are 1.16 USD, again mathematics: 5,64 x 1,16 = 6,54 USD for 1 Galon fuel to pay in Germany!

    Price in the USA from 07/16/2018 = 2.865 USD per Galon .... SO THE FUEL PER GALON IS IN EUROPE 3.67 USD PER GALON MORE EXPENSIVE AS IN THE USA!

    https://www.eia.gov/petroleum/gasdiesel/
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    You are now living in Germany and you want to buy a big SUV, you drive in the year about 40,000 miles and more and between these 2 you have to decide: Mercedes Benz GLS or Cadillac Escalade!

    Both cost in Germany, depending on the dealer, kind of motor and equipment about 90,000 EUR = about 105,000 USD!

    Fuel consumption at approx, same engine power etc .:

    Mercedes GLS = 4.2 gls / 100 miles
    Cadillac Escalade = 7.7 gls / 100 miles

    For every 100 miles, it will cost you $ 12,845 more to drive the Cadillac. At 40,000 miles per year, this is: 40,000 x 12,845 / 100 = $ 5,138 additional fuel costs in Europe due to higher fuel consumtion!

    These 5,138 USD per year are for you how many monthly wages? For me nearly 2!

    Do you buy it now?

    P.S.

    The data for the cars you can get yourself and check if you do not believe me!
     
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    On all European cars is the same tariff in the US, whether German, French, Italian or whatever European ... even on Japanese cars you have 2.5% tariff!
    Conversely, across the EU, there is a 10% tariff on all cars that have not been made in the EU, no matter which country ... USA, Japan, China, Australia .... it does not matter!

    To the rest ...

    I have the German Willy GmbH with 100 employees and my products fully comply with all US standards and regulations. I would like to sell them in the US and I have the American Billy Ltd. at an exhibition. also got to know with 100 employees, which fits perfectly and we get along great and we want to do a cooperation ... so he sells his products with mine in the US, I mean his with mine in Germany.
    In Germany no problem, in the US it does not work. Here I have to go through a costly process with a US lawyer and then I have to open my own sales agency in the USA, over which I have to imprtieren my own products and then to the Biolly Ltd. to resell!

    Problem and disadvantage recognized for the German company?
     
  3. Steady Pie

    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am a free trader. Free trade is good. "Free trade" is bad, multilateral deals which include all sorts of special interests. Usually intellectual property.

    But lefty gonna lefty and if we have to tax somewhere, imports are a good option so long as it's done for revenue rather than protectionism.

    The early US shows how protectionist tariffs can split a country and lead to civil war.
     
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    We don't just trade with the EU Mandelus.
    The bulk of all our trade is outside the EU.
    As EU members we are forced to place tariffs on their goods that raise prices for the UK consumer.
    Food for example is produced cheaper everywhere else in the world.
    But we have to pay EU prices, even on food not bought from EU countries.

    The EU has masses of tariffs. It is tariff heavy.
    You might notice how pissed off the rest of the world is with EU tariffs.
    You might notice all the arguments against Trump raising US tariffs to match them and the effects they will have on US domestic prices.
    Arguments you agree with.
    It is no different for EU people.

    No different at all.

    The EU is impoverishing us. The money they tax goes to Brussels.
    Where it is lost. It just disappears without explanation.

    In 8 months time, you will be on the other end of your own tariff regime.
    The tariffs you have set will be applied to you.
    And you will scream "unfair" "trade war".
    And I will laugh my head off at you.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You forgot Iran.
     
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    I have the opposit motivation

    Tax imports to protect US jobs and manufacturing ability

    The money collected is of secondary importance

    But whatever the reason if we agree to tax imports thsts a good thing
     
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    You should stop to act like a clown. The 5.2% unemployment get welafer on the level that your average worker gets. Its people who cant work.

    Our corporations run hot and are limited only from production maximum. The things you hear pop are the skulls of your workers under our absolute maket dominance.

    And your pathetic president cry bout it.

    As i said, your pathetic economy, extreme debt and low skilled workers are disturbing.

    But hey coming from the higher civiliation is not always easy for us. All we see around us are people like yours...nobody on our level and all below us.

    A country with a budget deficit should not be allowed to exist. You should be cast aside.

    Workers Made Germany Into the World's Best Economy

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/arti...rs-made-germany-into-the-world-s-best-economy
     
  8. Thedimon

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    Unemployment figure counts people who want to work and cannot find job.
    5.2% is pretty high! If US released that number today the stock market would crash!
    5.2% is mediocre!

    And yeah, your cars are crap. Your software is useless. I won’t even mention electronics.
    Put a paper crown on and pretend to be a king - I see you like that.
     
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    Wrong. Unemployment numbers in Germany list all people on welfare. Corporations have problems to find workers here, because there are no people left on market who want work.

    Thats also the reason why wages rise so extreme here. Why an apprentice like i can afford 4 weeks australia with his girl for 10.000 € while yours cnt even afford healthcare.

    As i said, your low level is disgusting. At least your unemployed join your army and get used as cannon food for our interests.
     
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    Japanese cars have also 10% tariffs in Germany but sell very well.

    Your cars are simply ****. Why should i buy an american car that consumes enormous amounts of fuel, has not the electrocnic devices and assistance systems i want?
     
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    Anyone who is single, has a full time job and does not need to pay rent/mortgage every month can easily afford just about any vacation.
     
  12. Sobo

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    You cant buddy. I´m not single and can afford it with an apprentice salary. You never made a long range flight. Propably never left your continent.

    pathetic.
     
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    You have a girlfriend - means not married and no family. Single.
    Actually, I’m on intercontinental flights every 2-3 years.
    You don’t pay for your own housing - so you overstate average German workers ability to save and buy an expensive trip.
    You are a nationalistic spoiled kid who gets free stuff from his daddy and then goes to online forums and tells everyone else how awesome your country is and how much **** you can buy!
     
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    Nope, the World says how awesome my country is. Germany is considered one of the greatest nations on thi planet.
    Just read you have lower life expectancy and higher child dat rate as well. wow that sucks dude.
     
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    Do you have a small thing in your pants? What’s with your never ending measuring contests? Why are you so insecure?
     
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    With the free trade agreements, America had a world of customers and low to no tariffs. Under Trump all that changes. Our export market will shrink to oblivion, and our internal market will be a fraction the size of what it was before Trump. Also, our import market will be hamstrung by increased tariffs and cause most everyday items to rise rapidly in price for us all. Because markets will shrink for American sellers, companies will shrink or go out of business, causing layoffs nationwide. Trump is the best example I can think of to demonstrate why it's a BAD idea to elect a businessman to run a government. They are NOT the same. Their purpose and function are not the same. Business exists to make profits. Governments exist to provide services to the nation and its citizens. Since their goals are different, using the time honored systems or policies of either to run the other will ultimately fail. Trump is doomed to fail. His supporters are incredibly naive and ill-informed. They vote from a stance of hostility, hatred & contempt. They give absolutely no thought on how their vote can or will impact the society they live in. Nor do they seem to care. They are motivated toward destruction, never realizing that "strength" never comes from destruction. Strength and power comes from what one can build, not destroy. Any simpleton can destroy almost anything, but BUILDING something special takes forethought, knowledge and personal power. Trump is like a bull in a China shop. All he wants to do--all he's doing--is destroying what his predecessors built for America, with no thought or reflection or understanding on how his efforts will impact the society we all live in. I predict even you, Spooky, will not like what Trump brings to America.
     
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    You are the one who is very insecure. Im the one 100% convinced about myself and my country.

    You are from the country that cries because we stomp its economy in the ground. Pathetic
     
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    Because a 7 litre V8 kicks arse.

    And being as you are so rich and all, you can afford the petrol.
     
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    All the excuses aside if germany imposes a 10% tariff then the US should charge german cars the same 10%
     
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    All excuses considered the US has a 25% tariff on trucks. :)
     
  21. Spooky

    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Spoken like a true liberal, "the government exists to give us stuff.

    No it does not.

    You should read the Constitution once in awhile where it clearly states what the function of government is.

    The purpose of our Federal Government, as found in the Preamble of the Constitution, is to "establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our posterity."

    It says nothing about providing services.
     
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    Really? Establishing justice is not a service to protect us? Insuring domestic tranquility--keeping the peace in society--is not a service? Providing for the common defense--protecting us from foreign invaders &/or domestic violence is not providing a service? Promoting the general welfare--enabling, protecting & encouraging a healthy economy--is not a service? Building roads & highways is not a service? Providing National Parks & Recreation areas for all of us to use is not a service? Passing laws l& regulations to protect our health and our environment as a society is not a service? I guess my reading of the Constitution and yours differ. Perhaps you agree with the predominant conservative view that government is meant for only two things: pass laws to help the rich become wealthier, & build a strong military so we can more efficiently kill non-Americans. I believe government has the potential to be whatever you make it. We can't expect to derive good government if we continue electing representatives who hate government, for they act upon their inner convictions and make government worthy of our hatred. But if we elect candidates who recognize the potential for good that government can provide, then we would have government that improves the lives of all. Everything human has the inate capacity to reflect both the best and worst of what is within us. Government is what we make it. The potential for making it good is there, but it needs to be recognized, trusted and used.
     
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    No, those are things the government gives to us, its things we tell them to do because its our right to do that.

    Its us providing a service, its not the governments to give away.

    They didn't create it, the Constitution did.

    You don't seem to understand that, you think the government is a separate entity that gives you things.

    Its not.
     
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    No, YOU think that I think the government is a separate entity giving us things. I think the government is an entity comprised of humans like any other organization--like a church, or a corporate business, or a non-profit, or any other, and like those, government is a reflection of the humans that comprise it. Of course government does the things we tell it to. We're in charge. We elect the representatives who actually go there and sit bodily in the chambers and endure the conflict first hand. All I'm saying is, government isn't inherently BAD. It simply reflects back to us what we put into it ourselves. If we put into it haters of government then it'll give back hate, distrust, conflict and other negative results. That's what I feel is happening now with Trump, because we elected a man who reflects our own negativity as a nation. I'm very uncomfortable with this result, but I know we have the power to change it into something better, if we take the time to think it through, trust ourselves and those we vote for, and then actually vote for candidates who are positive and constructive minded. And in terms of the government "giving us things," I don't feel the government ever "gives us things." Everything that comes from the government is paid for by some form of taxation or fee that comes from us. It's not a "freebie". It's a choice. We choose what we expect from government and it acts on those choices. I'm happy to pay taxes to government so long as it returns benefits to me and the society around me that I value. I want universal health care for everyone, and I'm willing to help pay for it, because I know it would be cheaper to do that than what we're currently doing. Plus, it would benefit more Americans. There's nothing wrong with this idea. We have the right (as you stated above) to choose what we expect government to provide for us. I choose Medicare for every citizen. I choose positive thinking candidates for governmental positions. I choose a President that's not a billionaire incapable of finding anything in life worthy of being happy about. :)
     
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    The people didn't agree with you and you should respect that.

    You elected your guy for eight years and still didn't get what you wanted, you had your shot.

    Time to step aside now.
     
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