No, Republicans ARE the problem, and here is the 'why' of the Covid bill

He doesn't have anything.

 

Are you saying that nearly half the people in the US have nothing? Most have homes, autos, TVs, internet, smart phones. They get the same services from the federal government as the rich man. Shouldn't they be paying for it?

 

I think so, blame Trump for Washington jitters.

I'll need to review the details of that one.

It's a humanitarian thing, ya know?

States are suffering because of diminishing tax bases due to high unemployment due to covid, and, unlike the fed, they can't issue their own currency

I don't know that we know that. Schools are hurting, we need to support the public school system, and has guaranteed all children to be educated. Some areas have problems, but that is another issue for another debate

FYI, minimum wages are NOT the cause of inflation. The cause of inflation is due to the fed swelling the money supply faster productivity can keep up, in a cycle of too much money chasing too few goods. The minimum wage is just trying to keep up with inflation. In 1968 the minimum wage was $1.60. That is $12 in todays money. So, the minimum wage should at least be $12. But note that the minimum wage on the bill wasn't scheduled to go to $15 right away, it was schedule to go up gradually from $9.50 to $15 by 2026. in my view, it should start at $12 because that is, adjusting for inflation, what it should be at the minimum.

Hell yes.

Yall are missing the point.

In any negotiation process, one side starts the process with a high ask.

then, the negotiation goes, whittling the thing down to a compromise each can live with, parsing out the unneeded items.

See, it used to be like that, but now, as was the case with the ACA, after 160 amendments were accepted, we believed that the final result was something that repubs could live with, which was the reason we went through all that negotiating for 14 months. But, when the time to vote came, they didn't vote for it. So, if you are not going to vote for it anyway, why in hell should we even bother negotiating at all?

THAT is the point. You made the bed, now you got to sleep in it. I made the point in more detail in the OP, I suggest you read it again. That is the 'why' of the bill. We know repubs are going to filibuster everything outside of the reconciliation process, so that means dems are going to pack that Covid bill to whatever they can get away with, and we are doing to do because of the expectation that McConnell is going to filibuster everything outside of the BR process.

 

No they don't.

 

What is it that they do not get from the federal government?

 

Marking this thread, gonna be interesting from here on out!!!!

 

Everything that enabled the rich man to be rich.

 

Name something specific that they got from the federal government that the poor man did not get.

 

Corporate welfare.

 

Ah, the frustrations of the simplistic mindset, congratulations on a nice text book portrayal of the conservative brain.

 

Corporations pay taxes.

 

How can nothing be a fair share?

 

Got nothing to tax.

 

It's not that simple. I'm referring to what I call 'dynasty-ism', where there is a class of people whose assets accrue, without effort, since they are in real estate and stocks, mostly, at a rate faster than inflation. So, we have inflation benefiting this class, and who pays for this? See, inflation isn't something for nothing, someone has to pay for it. Well, in fact, inflation and accruing assets are hedges, so inflation profits those who can hedge, and is paid for by those who cannot, the poor. They pay for it because they don't own accruing assets, they live week to week and just own things, a car, household stuff, and maybe some savings, and these things, including their wages, devalue with inflation, and wages lag behind inflation, so they pay for the profit of the super rich insofar as this phenomenon. So, in a sense, in the ultimate, de facto sense, there is a hidden tax on the poor. Moreover, super rich people at that level pay hardly any taxes. the nation, since 1900, has had 2.88% inflation on the average, which, at 2021 is over 3000% cumulative inflation since 1900,

The 1% own $34 Trillion of nation's wealth, whereas the bottom 50% only own $2 trillion ( 1.8% ) ( source, FR wealth distribution chart).
Place cursor at any point along the top of the graph for stats.
https://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/z1/dataviz/dfa/distribute/chart/#quarter:119;series:Net worth;demographic:networth;population:1,7;units:levels;range:2005.2,2020.2

 

If they are paying taxes, how can it be called corporate welfare? They pay taxes and they get some kind of tax break and you call it corporate welfare. Strange.

 

That did not prove anything. You are just basically saying they do not deserve their wealth and therefore it should be take away from them. It has been my experience that the wealthy work harder than the poor people they employ.

 

They voted to strip it from the Covid Bill in order that it will get passed
Big deal, so we do minimum wage another way.

 

The hell they do. Many poor people are working 3 jobs now. If you are making billions, nice work if you can get it.
The super rich do not do manual labor. Barking orders at people isn't work. Of course, we need managers, I'm talking
the dynasty owners and the idle rich.

That the super rich are richer just because they are rich, born into it, and the poor are getting poor, this gap is widening every year with no sign of stopping, to democrats, is a problem.

But it's not a problem to republicans.

We're wired differently.

 

It's welfare, because if they don't pay their share, then someone else pays it.
Since the big tax cuts to the rich has driven up deficits to sky high, it will be financed by fiat currency and borrowing, and this will be inflationary, and inflation is always a tax on the poor because, unlike the rich, the poor cannot hedge.

Also,

If people on minimum wage seek government assistance in order to live because the wage is not enough to live, then that assistance is de facto corporate welfare, because that assistance is what the corporations should have been paying in the first place.

 

And yet todays new super rich are all Democrats, isn't that sumthin

 

There are super rich on both sides of the spectrum.

the difference is that dems support the wealth tax, even rich dems, but rich repubs do not.

Isn't that sumthin.

 

And then there is this

 

Reread my previous post.

 

I did little manual labor to earn a living once I graduated from college. However, if you think that working long hours using your brain isn't work, then you have not tried it. Once a manual laborer gets off work, he is free to do what he wants. I was on call nearly my entire adult life. Even, if I was not on call, I thought about what I did right or wrong.

I know very few "idle rich". However, they or likely their parents earned that money and have the right to do with it as they please.