No, Republicans ARE the problem, and here is the 'why' of the Covid bill

start with the murder of 500,000 americans from coronavirus and end with the felony murder of 5 americans ar the capital. in between, the most corrupt and self dealing administration in history.

 

Eric J. Soskin, the IG who referred Chao's case to the DoJ was nominated by Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/cont...fb-b546-51fd1b0cf938/?itid=lk_inline_manual_1

 

Drifted so far to the right? You may want to read this: LINK: Half of Americans think the Democratic party has moved too far left - CNN Politics Just a few points on it:

Since I used CNN I'm sure that you'll find it an acceptable source.

As far as your $12 thread...why did they reject it? Have Republican's always objected to minimum wage increases? Or is this a new thing? Or maybe your values have just changed? But hey, if it makes you feel any better there's this...: Link: Republican senators pitch $10 minimum wage - CBS News

No, I get your point. I just reject it. You say that you were once Republican. I'm going to assume that means that you too want the border secured? If that is still the case then you can't really say that Republican's get it wrong "ALL" the time because that is what they want also.

Why? Because a lot of them have no faith in the voting system anymore? Is that the only reason? The Jan 6 riot? You keep saying that they are off in la la land but you never actually say what about their positions are "la la".

Why do you say that I take the opposite view of everything that you post? Because I certainly don't respond to everything that you post. I don't know your position on most things. But if you'd like some of my "liberal" qualifications here's a few: I support making college available to all on the taxpayer dime. I support women's choice in abortion. I support universal healthcare paid through taxes. I've said these things before so you can look them up if you don't believe me.

And yet the debt increased each year he was in office. Like I said, he was the best president when it came to attempting to balance the books. But that's one President out of how many? Neither side actually has a good track record.

So, you admit that there are systemic problems and yet you are still blaming Republicans. Strange that.

Yes, and Democrats are supposed to be the party of the working class. Yet one of the very first things Biden did, and Democrats cheered for, was shut down the Keystone Pipeline, costing thousands of jobs. And the reason that so many blue collar workers voted for Trump was because the Democrats weren't working for them.

And we know that Democrats are going to put things in bills that they know Republican's are against. So yes, they can blame Democrats. How about you join me and just demand that Congress pass only clean bills? Maybe then we can start having honest conversations on WHY something is being denied by either party. And then The People can vote based on that honest conversation.

And you can blame Nancy for putting things completely unrelated into a bill. Neither side is clean in this. Dirt is dirt. It's time to wash it all off instead of pointing fingers based on Identitarianism.

Hey, if you want to take away the bridges and highways that corporations have built then go for it. As long as they are paid for it I don't care. Eminent domain is a power that the government has. Just make sure just compensation is provided.

 

Yet more Americans vote for Democrats than republicans, go figure.

Republicans are against minimum wages, period.

This idea that democrats want open borders is nonsense. What we want is a sane immigration policy, less mean that republicans, that will meet the needs of America. We need more immigration, not less. That's where we differ.

Massive tax cuts to the superrich, that's insane.
Elimination of the estate tax for the superrich, that's nuts.
Permanent separation of children from parents for a crime no greater than a misdemeaner, that's insane.
Banning Muslims in countries that did not export terrorism to the US, but allowing Muslilms from counties that did export terrorism to the US, that's insane.
Repealing Roe v Wade is totally out of touch with the electorate.
Appointing judges who side with big business most of the time, is out of touch with the electorate.
Attempting to abolish the ACA, refusing to fix it's imperfections, denying health care to the lower income brackets
Attempting to privatize Social Security and medicare.
Believing that private enterprise can do everything better ( not everything, that's insane)
Appointing a Postmaster General who thinks he should run the post office like a corporation. That's idiocy.
Repealing many needed environmental laws from an ideological perspective, and not a practical perspective, that's nuts.

**** like that.

Okay, I'll accept that.

It's a systemic problem.

La la land is a strange place, no doubt. See above.

I'm on the Michael Moore side of the dem party, who is just as critical of that point as anyone else. We are striving to put it back on track, and be the party of the working man. I'd keep keystone for jobs, while transitioning to green, we can walk and chew gum at the same time.

Nothing like that is going to happen as long as McConnel's policy is to block any and all bills by democrats. Fix that, and then get back to me on that point.

I answered this point, before. Get McConnell to stop blocking everything dems propose, and then we can return to sanity, but that has to happen first.

No one is going to take anything away, I'm against building more highways and bridges with tolls on them. The vast majority of highways in CA are 'freeways'.
A toll road for a road not traveled much, but needed, those might be in order and that's where CA does have toll roads. But, 'm against permanent toll roads. A reasonable profit should be allowed, then end the toll. They did that with the Coronado Bridge in San Diego.

 

Love the way they try to blame this load they passed on Democrat votes, on Republicans! Why don't they do work they can just be proud of and take credit for, rather than try to blame others for their own actions? I hope they enjoy their less than two years left of being in the majority, because after that I suspect the American People will put the adults back in charge.

RESCUE ME

"The Democrats’ nefarious and destructive $1.9 trillion “American Rescue Plan” (alleged Coronavirus relief bill) passed the Senate yesterday. The gentleman from Madame Tussauds emerged briefly to explain what it was all about. Even with the help of a teleprompter, he struggled."

"Biden tries to explain the Covid bill. This moron is President? Wow."

 

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Oh right, nothing. Your comment is a non sequitur.

Well now, I gave you a link proven otherwise and you still say this? Make all the false statements you want. Reality won't conform to them.

And yet Biden sent out a memo ordering that BPS/ICE release all immigrants, including the ones that were court ordered to be deported. And he made a policy which stops them from going after even those that commit assault or theft. The only ones to be deported are murderers and rapists. That's about as open borders as they can possibly get without totally disbanding BPS/ICE. Which they dare not do since the majority of peoples in the US want our borders secured.

What in the world do you consider "massive"?

You do know what an estate tax is don't you? It's taking money from people that lost loved ones. Just because their loved one died. Personally I find taking advantage of people just because their family member died abhorrent. I don't care how rich they are.

Trump agreed with you. Which is why he stopped it when he heard that was being done.

From a list of countries that Obama's administration declared as dangerous. Why do you all always conveniently ignore that?

On this I agree with you. But am not worried about it. Unless you can somehow convince 9 judges that a woman has no right to privacy?

Dems do the same.

No healthcare is being denied. I live at poverty levels. And I can go get healthcare whenever I want for about 40-50 bucks any time I want. And yes, that includes preventative care. Now healthcare INSURANCE is another matter. And on that part I agree with you.

What's your solution? Both Dems and Repubs have been taking money from SS since not long after it was established. For things unrelated to SS.

And this makes them "la la"?

Why? Maybe it should be. The whole system has been hemorrhaging money for decades now. How much longer can the government keep paying into it to prop it up? But that IS normal for government. The ONLY program that has ever paid for itself is NASA. And ironically enough I have noticed far more Dems against NASA than Repubs. And that is saying a lot because Repubs don't care for NASA either.

Depends on what you call "practical" vs "ideological" doesn't it? Funnily enough both sides consider one sides issues based on "ideology" and not based on "practical". So really all you've done here is repeat a talking point.

All in all you've mentioned things that Republican's have always been about with 2 exceptions. ACA and the ban of people from a few Muslim countries. Which I guess would be what tipped the balance for you into becoming a Democrat? At least those are the only two things you mentioned that's relatively new. And the ACA isn't all that new in that Republican's have always believed in individual responsibility, which would include being responsible for ones own healthcare insurance.

Exactly. Caused by both sides.

Agreed.

This has been going on for far longer than McConnell has been in charge of the Republicans in the Senate. Including the Dems propensity of putting things not related to a bill in question.

How about we just holler at both sides? Both are equally guilty in not providing clean bills that are clear cut. Due to that each side always hollers at the other. And due to that The People don't actually know whats up as they're going to believe their side over the other. As such they won't vote idiots out.

What is a "reasonable profit" to you? And has that "reasonable profit" been accomplished by these roads? See that is part of the problem. What is and isn't "reasonable" is entirely subjective.

 

As long as more people vote for dems, I could care less. That's why it's 'sequitur'.

Okay, most, or many, do not support a minimum wage. That better?

My premise stands. Your comment does not equal 'dems want open borders'.

We are talking about estates in the billions. I fail to see how a life of a loved one is impaired if he or she receives half of one billion, instead of all of it.
Give me a break. Much of these assets at this level accrue without effort, via the inflationary system, and since they are benefitting the system the most, far more than whose not born into wealth, far more than those who cannot hedge, they must pay for the privilege, plus the added purpose of limiting the expansion of dynasty-ism and the ever widening gap between the rich and the poor.

Trump's tax cuts, the bulk of them went to people making more than $75k and corporations. Only 16% got the rest, which was the majority of people, in population terms.

He didn't agree at all. The policy of 'zero tolerance' ( the cause of the separations) didn't stop until Biden signed the executive order, reversing it.
It shouldn't have happened in the first place. And when it did, the should have had methods in place for reuniting, but they didn't or the method they did have allowed many to remain separated, some 600 or so.

That's criminal child abuse, in my view.

Misleading statement, if there ever were one. Mostly false, politifact:
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...mparing-trumps-and-obamas-immigration-restri/

There are big differences between the judges dems pick than the judges repubs pick.

Some 18 million have health care now that didn't have it before, and I fall into the targeted demographic
With some improvement, we can do better.
But I favor single payer.
Where do you live that it is so cheap?
What about if you need heart or brain surgery?

To let them work as intended. I don't agree with taking money from SS, but dems do not want to privatize it.

Among other things, did you see the entire list?

Most certainly should not. Strategic public enterprizes should NOT be subject to the whims of the free market and operated like a free enterprize, therefrom. That's why he is tearing down machines resulting in slowed mail, because he's running it like corporation, that's how they think.
Who cares if it is hemmoraging, it's a public enterprize, so we fund the damn thing. That's all there is to it.

In 1980, in my college English class, i did a book report on Milton Friedman's 'Free To Choose', and from that book, I was a solid 'reagan/libertarian', and noting that of Reagan, Friedman said "He's got the right instincts, I'm optimistic'. My poly sci professor was decidedly left wing and it showed in his lectures. He didn't have a class after mine, so I hung out and argued with him. I also got into debates wtih other dems.
So, one day, thinking that what I now about Friedman's economics, which was the basic model for conservatism, which was slowlying being renamed 'neoliberalism' i.,e the belief in free markets as the panacea for all of societies ills, I went to the library and painstakingly studied all peformance stats of various admnistrations going back to the turn of the century. And, when I laid it all out, to my amazement, the stats unquestionably favored democrats.
I couldn't wrap my head around it. But, since I'm a numbers guy, I slowly became a democrat. It took some time, but I slowly began to figure out why, nad it has something to do with that the public enterprise, ( a nation ) and a private enterprise ( a corporation ) the dynamics are, in many ways, the opposite, what is oppressive to a nation would be optimal to a business and vice versa. now, not in all respects, but in many salient respects. It took me a long time to understand this.

there's a lot more here to tell, but that's the gist of it.

McConnell has to reverse his policy. That is where things must begin.

Reasonable would be some point at which the damn thing (the toll) isn't permanent, I'll let the regulators and the corporations duke it out on that point.

 

So party before what's right. Got it.

Yep. Those broad brush strokes will get you every time.

Why take it to the extreme? If you allow anyone and everyone except those with the worst criminal records then what would you call it? Because it sure as hell isn't a secured border if you allow criminals to stay.

Oh so because they're billionaires its OK to take money from someone just because they died? If you support estate taxes for billionaires and don't for the poor then you are being hypocritical. And classist.

Oh so they must pay for the privilege of being rich. Yeah, that's socialist.

And it does not stop or limit the expansion of dynasty-ism (that even a word?...so many isms now a days ) You said it yourself, much of those assets accrue without any effort (on behalf of the person that is the owner). They will just continue to gain wealth. Trump is a perfect example. He turned millions inherited from his dad into billions.

Besides, do you really believe that all that taxed money actually goes to the poor? I'd bet much of it just pays government employees or goes to the military for these endless wars that Democrats supposedly are against....at least until Trump came along and showed their hypocrisy.

In numbers please. See if you can do this without mentioning Trump.

False. LINK: Trump signs executive order to stop family separations at border | Fox News

The Zero Tolerance Policy that Biden rescinded did not include child separation because child separation had already been stopped.

Try this link: Banned countries based on list from Obama administration | WGN-TV

Yeah, liberal judges tend to rule based on feelings. Repubs judges tend to rule based on law. That's the only difference. When it comes to corporations they're the same though.

First, why do Dems always go to extremes? Brain surgery? Most people don't ever need that. In anycase, I've already said that I'm all for UHC. What I'm against is forcing people to buy health insurance from private companies.

Yep, I saw it. All but two of them are old news. Yet you just recently became a Democrat according to what you have said.

And yet delivery of packages by the private industry works better than the USPS. Why is that? Delivery is often faster than USPS and cheaper than USPS. Yet its still a billion dollar industry. Why is it that people have turned to private enterprise deliveries instead of using USPS?

I don't think its a panacea. But there are instances where it is obviously better. Like delivery of mail. NASA for instance is not one that I would privatize. Sure, let private companies go into space also. But NASA should stay as they will look after things that private companies will not.

How about both sides begin. Do you really expect only one side to begin? Why would only one side begin? Each time its a reaction to a reaction to a reaction to a reaction. It's like getting rid of nuclear weapons. Several countries agreed to get rid of nuclear weapons decades ago. Yet we still have them. Why? Because neither side trusts the other so haven't done what they promised to do. All sides are going to have to do things together. Or neither side is going to do anything.

So...what was your whole point in bringing up privatized highways then? If you're going to leave things as they are then...:shrug:

 

What did the rich man get from government that enabled him to be rich? I know a lot of rich people. Not one of them can thank the government for that. Their talent, hard work and risk taking were the source. You couldn't be more wrong.

 

And interestingly those that don't have super rich seem on the whole to have a much higher percentage of people living in poverty.

 

And interestingly those that don't have super rich seem on the whole to have a much higher percentage of people living in poverty.

 

No, I go with what's right, but it just so happens that dems are with whats right, on this one.

I'll get to your other points, in a bit.

 

No, I go with what's right, and it just so happens the dems got it right on this one.

it's a true statement, qualified from the brush stroke to the finer stroke.

Dems want a sane immigration policy, soon to follow, stay tuned. Dont' get bogged down into interim actions.

State has a legitimate claim on income. So says the constitution. Value accruels are considered income.

Tax policies are made for the greater good, not your anecdotal personal attempts to persuade in the furtherance of some right wing agenda.

Yes, and no, it's not, it's just social policy. Socialist is a meaningless buzz word. Whether or not I concur will depend on which
definition you are imposing.

Doesn't mean we can't try and slow the widening of the gap between the rich and poor.
He started with $400 million (adjusting for infllation).
His real net worth has yet to be established. Anyone with that much money could have done just as well by parking it in the dow jones, and and do nothing. In fact, some are saying he could have done better.

Doesn't mean we shouldn't to our best to shrink the gap between the rich and the poor.
Trump is the very essence of criminality, and fraud. It's amazing you can't see that.

Trump's tax cut on the left side.

Whatever, Trump should never have done it in the first place. 600 kids can't find their parents?
Criminal child abuse, period, end of argument.

Obama ddn't ban, he just said to be cautious in those countries.
Trump banned in countries that did not export terrorism to US, but didn't ban in countries that DID export terrorism to the US, noting he had HOTELS in those countries.

it's called bigotry and corruption, wake the **** up.

No, based on justice. Justice matters.

Okay, UHC, we agree.

Of course, La La Land isold news, but they are still on La la Land, however old the damn place is.
No, became a dem in the 80s, Iv'e said it many times, and no where did I say anything else.

Cost & benefit. USPS is much cheaper, but their damage record isn't as good.
so, If I'm shipping something that's very valuable, and don't want to risk damaging, I'll go with UPS.
If not, I'll go with UPS. Depends.

Let each do what they do well.

McConnell must stop his blocking everything dems propose. Why? Because he's the minority where his only power is blocking.
That ****'s gotta stop.

Because that was the direction Trump wanted to go in, and I say we do infrastructure like it was done in the 50s, from taxes, bonds, etc.

So, we repeal Trump's tax cuts ( over $400k, as he promised ).

then we get to work in infrastructure, or both.