NO to bump stock bans

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Battle3, Mar 30, 2018.

  1. DoctorWho

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    It has not yet accomplished that goal.
    Terrorists still get away with murder.

    My time in Law Enforcement proved how useless those measures really are.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    cars are not weapons designed to kill people.

    guns are.

    learn the difference.
     
  3. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are talking only of war weapons. Not civilian guns.

    Again, back atcha so you learn the difference.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the AR-15 and the AK-47 are basically weapons of war
     
  5. DoctorWho

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    Phooey, they are a common place variety of semiautomatic firearms and the Federal Bureau of Investigation and even B.A.T.F. has never said any such thing
     
  6. Battle3

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    With the budget issues, if bump stocks are so good then you would think the military would buy them - $100 for a bump stock versus $5,000 for a machine gun. Yes?

    But of course bump stocks are not very good. Its all hype. A bump stock is an expensive rubber band.
     
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    Which one kills more people?
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    AK 47, no doubt.

    AR-15, civilian semi automatic. Not for killing humans.
     
  9. DoctorWho

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    Wrong.

    The AK varients are also semiautomatic rifles and in no way weapons of war and are reliable and suitable for hunting especially with smaller lighter handier reduced capacity magazines.
     
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    Except that the semiautomatic AR-15 and AK--47 have never been used in war. The M193 bolt action Springfield and the S&W .38 revolver are actual weapons of war.
     
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    Sovereign Citizen. You determine where all lines of authority end, and will act with your arsenal to justify that.
     
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    No, they're not. They are efficient and functional defensive carbines, and banning private ownership of them is a direct violation of the Founders' Constitutional intent.
     
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    Indeed - there is no better example of a firearm protected by the 2nd than the AR.
    - In common use for traditionally lawful purposes
    - Suitable for use in service with, and therefore having a reasonable relationship to the preservation of, the militia
     
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    The obvious question of "so what?" must be asked with regard to the above. What ultimate, meaningful difference does such make? Does the fact that motor vehicles are not designed to kill people, change the fact that they can easily be utilized to do just that?
     
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    Except for the simple fact that they are not, nor can they be made to become weapons of war. They are wholly, exclusively, civilian firearms, and nothing else. No amount of claiming and screaming to the contrary will change that fact.
     
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    The NFA is a revenue generating tax measure, so sayeth the Ways and Means Committee meeting on the bill in the records. Any other motive for the bill would make it unconstitutional as it solely exists on the taxation power which MUST have as its primary motive revenue generation when it taxes.

    So if you want it to stand it must be solely a revenue generating measure. If you'd like it to fall, do attribute another motive dear.

    Problem is the hughes amendment makes the market that applies to NFA shrink to zero over time. Defeats the revenue generation purpose. By your logic it must be removed.
     
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    You don't even have a right to Habeas Corpus anymore, locate a clue.
     
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    Sure they can, easily. All that's required is someone uses them in war.
     
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    Watch out for what you wish for.
    You could find belt loops on your pants being illegal.

    A bump stock has only been used once in a crime, only once.

    And what you aren't being told, those rifles that Paddock used in Las Vegas that had bump stocks over heated and jammed on him. Paddock had to turn to rifles that didn't have bump stocks that wouldn't jam and would keep on killing.

    Pretty basically liberal politicians don't know jack **** what they are legislating on 99% of the time and neither do the Hogg's in the world.






    I can turn almost any semi auto rifle just using some string and a rubber band into a machine gun.
     
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    By such logic, any equipment a soldier must acquire on the black market to supplement standard issue equipment automatically becomes military equipment, even though it was not intended for such purposes.

    Show a military, any military, that actually issues the AR-15 as a primary arm to its soldiers, rather than the M16, M4 carbine, or any various other similar rifle platforms that have full-automatic and select-fire capabilities.
     
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    You do it, you attempted the claim, not me.
     
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    It was not yourself that was even being addressed originally, as the claim of the AR-15 being a weapon of war was not made by yourself. The simple claim that it becomes a weapon of war if one should use it in a war does not make it such.
     
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    How do you figure that?
     
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    Go find out.
     
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    But why were AR-15's sold as hunting rifles before the Army even adopted the AR-15 and M-16 ?

    Why are AR-15's chambered for a hunting varmint cartridge that was designed for varmint hunting ?

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