Non Americans speaking on Gun Issues

I could put forth an argument about that in relation to some of the more dubious influences like MacDonald, Kentucky Fried and Hawaiian shirts

But having seen the vast difference in firearm mortality between not only our two countries but also UK, Europe, many parts of Asia and the USA I would not like to see that replicated here, Here our medical personnel would see one firearm injury perhaps per year - and that is in inner city areas

 

US citizens wanting to fiddle with the Bill of Rights is tyrannical.

The first ten amendments to the Constitution are non-negotiable.

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The illegal gun trade... Most are smuggled in from Mexico... Yea, a few are stolen but the majority are smuggled in.

I'm sure 99% are manufactured in the United States tho which is kind of ironic.

 

It is difficult to compare crime between countries - for example Australia is often accused of having a high level of rape but that is a combination of different laws and different methods of counting the incidents - in particular we do not discriminate sex based crimes into "rape" and "sexual harassment" it is all one category

 

Then why did the NRA try to limit the first amendment?


In 2011, Florida legislators passed the Firearm Owner’s Privacy Act, which forbids physicians or other health care providers from asking patients if they own firearms or inquire about the presence of a firearm in patients’ or other family members’ homes. The law also restricts recording information about firearms in patients’ charts, or harassing or discriminating against patients because they own guns. Violation of any provision of the law constitutes grounds for disciplinary action under Florida’s medical licensing laws.

In 2012, a U.S. District Court judge declared the law an unconstitutional violation of physicians’ freedom of speech. “[T]he State, through this law, inserts itself in the doctor-patient relationship, prohibiting and burdening speech necessary to the proper practice of preventive medicine, thereby preventing patients from receiving truthful, non-misleading information,” the court wrote The state of Florida has appealed the case to the 11th Circuit Court, where a decision is pending. Several other states are considering similar legislation.

Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/...mendment-and-the-NRA.html#6iMHQXYxAkxxTVGs.99

Actually no - the illegal gun trade is actually the other way around - guns are smuggled INTO Mexico

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smuggling_of_firearms_into_Mexico

 

In at least some of the cases, directly from the police themselves.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/01/california-sheriff-deputies-accused-illegally-selling-weapons/

 

There are certain questions that certain people are banned from asking.

Truth is it's none of a doctors business if a parent owns a gun or not because it's irrelevant to a doctors job.

The truth is that question is just a tactic under Obamacare to track gun owners. I don't think doctors even care but it's a question on the questionnaire they give you before every doctors visit.

They can ask all they want but people don't have to answer.

It's certainly an inappropriate question.

Of course they are. I already said in my post they did - I said "Ironically 99% of the guns are manufactured in the US."

The go from the United States, to Mexican cartels and then the Mexican cartels turn around and distribute them.

There are so many guns that banning them would be absolutely useless and would be nothing more than a token gesture insult to the Bill of Rights and the United States as whole.

 

Because doctor's records are now searchable under the Affordable Care Act. If the doctors were recording which patients did and did not admit to owning firearms, it became a defacto registry.

With a significant number of them coming from the ATF's botched fast and furious operation.

 

Then there was no need to introduce legislation to limit the first amendment rights of medical and mental health practitioners

So they are smuggling guns into Mexico so they can smuggle them back out again to the USA


RIIIIGHT!!

 

Unfortunately many people are too stupid to realize they have options - especially when they're talking to someone they respect or believe is an authority figure.

They absolutely are.

I can go to the ghetto right now and buy just about anything from a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing AR to an AK to an RPG to counterfeit currency.

 

It sounds like the author of that article is pissed because Americans are successful. Our culture is one of success so far, so why would another country NOT try to emulate that, including the gun culture that empowers individuals to protect themselves instead of being one phone call away from help?

 

The article is poorly written and then rehashed to make it seem like a nefarious plot by the police.

Things you should know:

There is a "list" of handguns and rifles that can be sold in California. These pistols, like a Gen 3 Glock 19, are nearly identical to the Gen 4 Glock 19. They take the same magazine, take the same ammunition, use the same sights, but the difference is texture on the frame and a different SKU code. California has a rigorous "test" center that determines what guns can and cannot be sold within the borders of the state.

From the above example, the Gen 3 G19 can be sold if it has a specific SKU code (identical firearms that don't share the same code cannot be sold for example), but the Gen 4 G19 cannot be sold. The Gen 4 G19 hasn't been "tested."

Now, from reading the article and knowing what I know about arbitrary laws in Cali, it sounds like the cops bought guns off roster (which they can do) and then sold them at a later time. I know some gun guys that buy a gun, shoot it once, and then sell it right after because they didn't like it.

The story above can be argued that all they did was buy a gun, decide they don't want it, and then sell it later. It is entirely different if they purchased the off roster guns with the sole intent to sell them back to other people who can't buy off roster guns.

I do not agree with the law that Cali has passed several years ago, and donate to the Cal Guns foundation to help fight stupid laws like the above. IIRC, there is a current law suit to remove the handgun roster all together and to also get rid of their registration requirements. I know they passed state wide shall-issue carry permits to their citizens, going away from the may-issue they had before.

 

Considering all that has been seen in the news before, it would not be the first time police have engaged in a nefarious plot. One is engaged in every time police decide to file retaliatory charges against one who is suing them. Or filing false charges in an attempt to justify the use of excessive force against a suspect.

Or human trafficking. http://abc7.com/news/lapd-officer-a...f-human-smuggling-at-us-mexico-border/559520/

The above is well known. On a previous forum, the matter of the "safe handgun roster" for the state of California was argued at length with a member known as Sinjin, who was an advocate for it. He did not believe that the state charging a two hundred dollar annual fee per handgun, in order for the company to be allowed to do business within the state, amounted to extortion. Nor did he understand that the roster's validity was questionable when a firearm of one color could be sold, but the exact same model of a different color could not.

Nor did he have any answers to explain how the blue finished Beretta Tomcat was added to the roster, when they are known to suffer frame cracking from regular use.

The article states that the firearms were resold at a profit of thousands of dollars, with seventy five percent of the firearms in question having gone to criminals.

Even if the officers committed what amounts to a technical offense, there are other examples of criminals getting their firearms directly from the police.

http://wreg.com/2014/10/15/four-guns-stolen-from-memphis-police-officers-truck/

http://www.msnewsnow.com/story/24397822/automatic-weapon-stolen-from-police-officer

http://www.wsmv.com/story/22925819/man-suspected-of-stealing-shotgun-from-metro-police-car

This has not happened yet. The state of California is still may issue in nature. The court case finding the may issue standard to be unconstitutional has been stayed, pending a review by the full appeals court in June.

 

Actually in terms of length of time without change the most successful culture in the world was the Australian Aborigine it being the longest recorded culture. But pernicious should never be equated with successful - to be successful it must have staying power otherwise it is not a culture but a societal fad

 

I'm a non-American. I quite like their gun laws, from a relative comparison perspective. Sure, the NFA should be repealed, and the Feds should have no involvement whatsoever in any gun policy - but on the whole it's fairly decent.

Their defense structure is a whole lot more worrying. The framers were quite suspicious of standing armies, they rightly saw that a government military would seek out conflict to perpetuate itself. Given the complete lack of enemies of any substance, and the 2000km moat surrounding the coast, they should really have gone for a Switzerland style defense strategy: citizen self-defense. Take it to the extreme: allow citizens to own artillery and working tanks (and, obviously, any firearms they please) without a license or the payment of taxes. Abolish the military and all anti-terror organizations.

 

Suck's to be a tourist in the US, as AFAIK they cannot carry a weapon, so it sort of makes them an easy target I guess.

 

"Letting them make up their minds" is antithetical to government.

Australia has terrible gun laws, but at least we're pretty spread out, so it's rather easy to simply ignore the state and do as you wish. If there's nobody within 50km what they don't know won't hurt em'.

 

Sort of.

If you're doing a degree in political science, for instance - you're expected to merely parrot their selection of thinkers on the topic. Writing an original take on the topic in your paper will not get you an outstanding mark, even though you clearly understand it on a deeper level than the rest of the class.

 

moving to opinions

 

As a human right, I don't think that the right to keep and bear arms is an American issue. It's an international issue that human beings all over the world should discuss with the goal of restoring to all free peoples their right to arm themselves as appropriate for defense of their lives, property, and communities.

 

Incorrect.

http://vintageretromidcentury.biz/v...-bakelite-rack-mid-century-modern-cutlery.htm

 

Agreed. What's the point to arguing about laws and customs that one need not obey or even witness. We have our ways and they have theirs.
What they think has zero impact.

 

But being in Australia, it doesn't really matter what you think of the issue, it's already been decided for you. One extreme won out, and you don't have a problem with that, because you're very much in favor of that extreme.

 

found this video by an Australian comedian on guns

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1QrRurrsi74

 

And yet most of the rest of the world see this as an American myth and a dangerous one that should be confined to America

There is no evidence that armaments do more for "freedom" than they do for civil disruption

 

However if you air those beliefs on an international forum where others can read them - does that not allow those others to voice an opinion

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Actually it didn't because guns were not banned in Australia - just restricted