North Korea threatening to attack Guam

Who believes the CIA fed US news? When we should know the news just gives CIA and the military industrial complex disinformation. We do not have a working Press. Plus, now it is legal to propagandize us. Yet who here knows about the trashing of that 1947 law? One besides me? Two?

 

Paper tiger? They spent the last 60 years going inside mountains. Over a million man army. Not the same NK we fought. And sure as hell not a middle eastern army. SK would suffer huge loses. No skin off our war mongers backs. We are being irresponsible. Easy for the people who you would have to chase down to draft them. Arm chair, video playing, generals.

 

The lunatics here are in DC.

 

Nope, I don't.

 

History shows most people at the beginning of every war fall into the trap of expecting a quick victory. Both sides in the Civil War thought the first battle at Bull Run (First Manassas) would determine the outcome of the war itself. It didn't. At the beginning of WWI, both sides expected the war to be over with a month or two. It wasn't. If a war with N Korea stays "conventional," the N Koreans have a highly trained, standing army of about 1 million ready to fight. The U.S. and S Korea and Japan together have a total of a bit over 100,000 active military ready to stand against N Korea. We'd be outnumbered 10 to 1. Plus, N Korea is already located in the area of conflict. We are on the far side of the largest ocean on the planet, meaning we have to ship every person, armament, or piece of machinery used in the fighting across that ocean to get it to the front. Logistics matter.

Your expectations regarding the instantaneous victory "within a half an hour" in such a war is highly unrealistic and over-optimistic. Even if it stayed conventional, it would take months to years, and wreck havoc with every country involved. If it went nuclear, it would change humanity.

 

What would be the effect of the top 20 USA population cities being hit with first strike nuclear weapons hits by a terminally ill sociopath mass murderer blaming the USA for why he is dying? Would that "change humanity?"

 

We should only do something if we are attacked first.

Yes, some people will die, but the moral high ground is not only more important but will save more American lives in the end.

If they go after Guam that is a HUGE mistake, if that happens we should surgically wipe out every military piece of equipment in NK and kill Kim.

Until then, I think it is more blustering by Kim to gain support in his country. You guys have no clue what the brain washing there is like

 

Absolutely. And, it would change the U.S. into something entirely new and different. Impossible to predict how, but it would be nothing like reality today.

 

Your foreign minister is right.

 

@Jason Bourne, probably a good idea to nuke those innocent civilians before you try invading the place.
They seem a little fanatical to my eye. I'm not expecting any hero's welcome there.

 

That lunatic of a Trump started this by threatened North Korea with "fire and fury that the world has never seen".
So it seems perfectly within reasonable limits to respond back like this.

Cmon. More fire and fury than WWII... the nuclear bombs on Japan and the entire firebombing campaigns? That is just utterly nuts.

If the US would do that, you should count that Seoul that is just a stone throw away from North Korea to be destroyed. They can simple use your random tank to do that without crossing the border. Also, this would start a massive refugee crisis of North Koreans fleeing to South Korea, Russia and China. Millions and millions of people die. And the US is responsible for this genocide for starting this pointless war.

 

They got an utterly massive army, so that scenario is completely unrealistic.

 

Yes, their army is much bigger than yours. It might take a while.

You've got enough nukes to simultaneously nuke everyone in the world at the same time.
It might be the safest option.

 

That is a strategic threat, if we were to bomb NK we would use Anderson most likely. It is smart on Kim's part to bomb it. This is the problem with U.S. thinking, they don't understand that the 'kim' family is evil pure and simple but they are NOT stupid. Their people are kept stupid by this evil family regime. The kims have given prison sentences to whole families and 3 generations of their offspring just for speaking out against the kim regime.. For 70 years the regime has been teaching their people that the U.S. was and is the aggressor and the ONLY thing keeping them safe are the kimmies. kim is like a god and and a religion all in one. He has a 1 million standing army. Remember, Hitler was thought of as bizarre......Until he wasn't.

 

They have a large army with no way to feed them or reliable provide reinforcements or supplies past the first few days. There is also the question about what they will actually do when they are in South Korea. I am old enough to remember all the predictions about the invasion of Iraq and how they had the world's fourth largest military etc. In the end all the soldiers including the much ballyhooed Republican Guard scattered like rats. Many North Korean soldiers can be expected to do the same thing.

There was an interesting study done years ago about which form of governance produces the most efficient results from its workers. The workers in an authoritarian environment provided the best results but only if they were being watched and only if they felt that the threat from the leadership was real. Once many of the NK soldiers feel that they can safely surrender to the US or even just run and hide they will jump ship.

 

Doubtful if this is true.

Yeah you got that. You can also see a Vietnam scenario where the US got defeated by the farmers and ran out of the country with their tail between their legs. To a more Afghan style war where the camel and goat herders just outlasted a full decade against that super power who than just threw the towel in the ring since they were going bankrupt over it.

 

Good points. I have heard lots of NK people have some limited (and dangerous) access to Western media. I think that if they see a way to escape, they will.

 

Vietnam was lost politically, not militarily. We lost 58,000 men in Vietnam, they lost around 2,000,000.

I could see an Afghan scenario but I am more inclined to think that once the little fat ****er is dead or at least out of commission that most of his soldiers will run like rats. After a few days all the US and South Koreans need to do is wave some juicy hamburgers in front of their faces and say they can only have them if they surrender. If its a double bacon cheeseburger, I would surrender myself.

The absolute hardest part will be what to do with North Korea when Tiny Balls Fatso is gone. Unlike Germany where most of them were aware that Communism sucked because they were alive long enough to remember how it was before the Russians took over, you have two generations of North Koreans who know nothing other than what they were told and the occasional scraps they get from the outside. Aside from the brainwashing problem North Koreans are significantly shorter from what I have read which puts the men at least at a disadvantage when it comes to absorbing them into a new unified Korea. We will end up with at least one entire generation of millions of people that will essentially be on welfare or best case scenario only fit for menial labor because of the damage done to them physically and psychologically by the Fattie Family. I don't even want to imagine how much that is going to cost South Korea and by extension the US.

 

You lot threw more bombs on Vietnam than in Europe in WWII. You lot napalmed town full of civilians (and now wine that Assad drops a fuel barrel) and used WMD's like agent orange to poison the lands and it's civilian population, committed genocide in places like May Lai who you lot try to cover up like crazy. But you still got beat by those farmers and had that epic helicopter scene on top of that US building making your final escape.

That is assuming he is in full control and not a group of high ranking military officials where he could be just part off. Besides, if the US is going for an execution of a head of state, than it means it gives others a free pass to go execute the US president. As for a reference.. attempt to execute Gaddaffi was met with a full condemnation of the world.

If that would succeed, than millions of North Koreans would try to escape the chaos and anarchy in North Korea and flee to South Korean, Russia and China. Millions will die in that attempt. And so the US is going to be responsible for causing that genocide that would rival the holocaust for deliberately being not prepared to deal with that.

Besides that... after a few days of war... that would result in the destruction of Seoul by North Korea. They simply can bomb it with tanks. Not to mention blow it up with their 1000's of missiles full with all kinds of WMD warheads. Do note,.. even Hezbollah with 3rd class Iranian crap was able to shoot over a 100 missiles a day and they hit Israel despite their anti rocket shield. North Korea is far superior to Hezbollah. And so... you can add an other 10 million people who get a good chance to be part of that holocaust.

You think Russia and China would accept a western style nation with US soldiers at their border where they previously had a buffer... after the US just made the biggest holocaust in the worlds history?

 

I don't think they'll do that. But, if they did, they could expect a response in kind. So, if they shot a missile at Guam, for example, using a conventional explosive warhead, I would think we would respond to them in kind. That is, with a retaliatory attack using conventional weapons. Of course, if they shot something nuclear at us, we'd respond in kind and completely destroy them.

 

Russia is probably in the best position to subdue North Korea if necessary because they have some sort of weapon (previously discussed in here) that can keep electronics from working. That would be much better than filling the area up with atomic waste.

 

I'm speaking of destroying everything that could threaten another country : missiles...

This war wouldn't last a half a hour but the most important part would be played in a tiny moment : only a lightning attack can disable the biggest part of what could threaten other countries. Defeating the biggest part of the army can be done in month as long the missiles are paralyzed.

 

Seriously...
The army of North Korea is well over a FULL MILLION soldiers big.
And you think they all surrender in 20 minutes?

How long did that Iraq war last? How big was their army?

A lightning strike will not put a dent in an army of that size.

 

There are many generals and others in the military ready to take kims place if he is killed , in addition US intelligence thinks there are upward of 20 full sized tunnels that NK can move 10,000 troops an hour with artillery into SK, we have discovered 3 , that's near 200,000 troops and artillery swarming SK an hour

US and SK troops would be just a speed bump to NK

during the Korean war we couldn't do it what make people think it can be done now

 

The ole secret weapon trick! Why don't they ever think of that?