I'm sorry but that is a very ignorant comment to make. I'll put it simply. We're there because we're wanted. During the "troubles" the IRA were nothing more than gangsters and murderers. It has sod all to do with colonialism or state oppression.
I have no idea how to approach an idiotic outlook such as you portray. May I point out, without sales to you and me, the corporates don't exist! May I point out, with out civil society, corporates cannot exist! We work to live, not live to work, that's called slavery and something corporates aspire. I have no wish your kind make any attempt to reintroduce the system through stupidity and thoughtlessness. Your outlook revolves around money, sorry, that's not my god! Society, laws, responsibilities,honour duty are my areas of concern! Regards Highlander
The soft headed often resort to insults. Yes I know. Unlike government if a corporation doesn't improve the lives of people they don't get paid. what is your point? That corporations make a civilized society? How can they if they need one so they can exist in the first place? Walk that through your Lefter logic for me. What corporation forced you to work for them? What business takes from you by force like government does? You lefties always complain about slavery but have no problem taking the fruits of productive people. You aren't just hypocrites, you are misguided hypocrites. So your kind should be the ones that take from people by force and spend it on the ruling class and how they see fit? I am the one saying we shouldn't take it from the people who earned it. You are the greed head trying to take from others what you haven't earned. In the mean time prove you for care about money by paypaling me all your cash please. Or just admit you care and were typing just to make yourself feel superior. Control, force, enslavement, sacrifice of others and ruler worship are your concerns.
It has a lot to do with colonialism and state oppression, the majority of NI is protestant because of colonization. Protestants of the established church enjoyed a privileged position before the foundation of the current states north and south and I hope you are not so ignorant of Irish history that you would argue otherwise. The state of Northern Ireland was founded a protestant nation for a protestant people it was deeply sectarian and hostile to its catholic minority Catholics in Northern Ireland were discriminated against in jobs, housing and schools. Gerrymandering of electoral districts insured minimal political influence Northern Ireland went off because the situation because untenable for a minority of the inhabitants and peaceful protest went over so well didn't it. The IRA were scum but the UVF wasn't much better and the british army was worse because they were supposed to protect the minority that was why they were sent. And this is an issue because a hard line of unionists hate the fact that the flag will only fly over government buildings EXACT same days as flag will fly over government buildings in the rest of the UK.
Just goes to show how much you know about the last 700 years! Fought for by Catholics and Protestants, for 700 years. Would that be considered ignorance on your part,.... people in glass houses etc! Previously prior to the implementation of the Mitchell accord was all to do with colonialism and state oppression! But only as I said for the previous 700 years. Regards Highlander
I won't argue with the religious differences And that's worth killing people over. If you're referring to bloody Sunday, well that was unsanctioned and there were disturbances prior to that. To be honest if the Army wasn't deployed then it would of been outright civil war. Such a trivial issue at best. What more does Ulster need? They already have de facto independence. - - - Updated - - - Oh go away Highlander. Nobody takes you seriously. You've completely exhausted my patience.
You think the conditioning of centuries will just disappear overnight if the British vanish from the scene? What is much more likely is that the minority Protestants will come to feel they are losing out on the deal and Protestant terrorism and agitation for independence would commence. Is a new round of strictly Irish Troubles what you want for Northern Ireland?
They imported those people. - - - Updated - - - No, they will just unite like every other former colony that won out over the loyalists.
May I point out, there isn't a north and south, it's Ireland. Not Britain, Ireland, so all they need do, keep there thieving hands off. Gerrymandering and the slaughter of the Irish, allowed the 6 counties to come to fruition. Something which was to be handed back to the Irish, but lies and deciet being the main stay of the. English aristocracy came to the front. 6 million Irish died during the famine, the famine that was used to exterminate the Irish nation. There was no famine. If they left tomorrow, if the allowed other political parties to stand like labour, the orange order and all that it stands will wither on the vine. Regards Highlander
Tut tut, and that's a expected type of remark I'd expect from you. But if I may point out, the Irish was going to slaughter the British army, it was surrounded, that why the Irish initially stole its independence. Highlander
Your English is abysmal and this is why one of the reasons why I said you should go back to school. Highlander in my dealings with you I have been patient and receptive. When you presented a statement I countered it with credible sources which even you have at times acknowledged. I should also point out that when others have slung insults at you, I still listened; that time has ended now. I have concluded that either you are a chronic liar or you have a mental health disorder, quite likely depression in which case I sincerely suggest that you contact your local GP in order to arrange for appropriate treatment. Please for your own sake and others, go get help.
Lowest common denominator, I expect no better! Have a nice day, were all going up the sun shine mountain.......2014 Aye you'll listen, to your own rhetoric! Regards Highlander
No (*)(*)(*)(*) sherlock, should we deport everyone who's surname is English or just yank citizenship? My Grandfather? My rosary beads rattling, Irish speaking grandfather a knightly the fact that somewhere back along the way he ( and ultimately I) have english ancestry do we get a say? Or is the name enough to disqualify us? Or should we just go based on religion? Do soupers count as ethnically protestant? Or is their relatively recent conversion (its only been 150 years or so) enough to grant them a say in who governs. I don't like how the state of Northern Ireland was formed but its their and FYI three of the four provinces of Ireland were planted. But only two thirds of one ended up remaining in control?
The british government left the nationalist community of northern ireland to rot for forty years. And they finally snapped. Yeah and the nationalist community saw both how well the british army was protecting them and how concerned the British government was for their welfare. It could have been, but their conduct and the conduct of the British government further inflamed tensions. That trivial issue riots sparked riots, that is the trivial issue that working class unionists are clinging to. It is an issue that is being pushed hard by Unionist politicians pandering to their base. And as for de facto independence they are far from it, and thank god because with political parties and affiliations falling almost perfectly along sectarian lines and with such anger and resentment and economic deprivation they need the referee, they need power sharing and they need for contentious issues to be monitored.
For all to be treated equally and fairly. Regardless of colour or creed! Ooh by the way did you know the heredity guardian of the orange order is the duke of Cumberland. To be sure to be sure! Regards Highlander
I guess you got even more angry with those American's of Irish Protestant descent who supported the IRA
It did. NI Catholics did every thing they could by civil rights means to get equal rights. Most Catholics did not even have the vote. They were attacked repeatedly and in fear of their lives. At one time there was even fear the South would have to come in to protect the Catholics. Originally the Soldiers were welcomed by the Catholics who believed they had come to protect them. However they soon re thought that. Although I do not support violence, if ever there was a situation where people had been pushed to the limit trying all non violent means and being met by violence this was it. And do not forget the violence from the Protestants. That being said in time the inequalities which had created the situation were resolved. However by that time people were angry having had relatives and friends killed as well as thinking themselves big and tough. Securing money freely donated in the US, they bought weapons from Gadaffi and carried on till Clinton made it illegal for the donations from the US. They settled down then and the terrorists as is the noble tradition became politicians.
Religion sounds fine. They can always assimilate you know. Who cares what crown loyalists do as long as they lose power?
I worship in a Church of Ireland church. I don't get a say? I do. They don't want to be under the control of a united irish republic. And frankly I don't think that many here in the republic want them in anyway. At this stage the north is a mess politically economically and socially and there has been a split even between population of the south and the republican population of the north. You don't even have a majority of northern catholics in support of reunification. The South is flat broke and the North is a drain on the coffers of the UK whatever people think about how the north was formed I can't see people here voting for reunification. Aside from the cost we had a civil war over leaving their was as much as one in the north over having to remain part of the UK and now North and south should be pushed back together in a union that no one seems to really want.
Which is why they need to slash spending. Didn't we have that argument earlier? I think the Good Friday deal is fair. But I think it is time for the colonialists to be go home in every nation they took by conquering. It is just causing issues, all over the world, as it has since they went there.
I don't believe we have ever discussed public spending You can't turn back the clock Australia, Canada New Zeland the US they are not going to disappear they exist because of colonialism. They are not going away the north and its problems will not disappear because we all agree that 400 years ago a British king did something bad.
Yeah, hearing yanks talk about terrorism like the first ever instance of it was on 9/11 is the most rage-inducing thing I can think of. Put quite simply, the average American is a simpleton who gains his/her information from a 5 minute news broadcast. It doesn't surprise me that so many were willing to help fund the "cause"
If it ended people would all get over it 20 years or less and we would all be friends trading with each other and normalized. Ireland is plenty established, no need for more colonialism. Time for them to abandon the welfare state, the UK, and get to back to work.
I don't think that it was a major issue because a great many of the IRA were not interested in any big ideals because many of them were just looking for a fight or were as I said before gangsters. I should have been a bit clearer. I don't believe that the people involved in the proliferation of insurgency in Ulster were motivated by past injustices. Colonialism of Ulster may of been the cause but not to the continuity of the conflict. Due to the presence of the armed forces we were able to avoid a civil war which would of only escalated the number of deaths. Never underestimate the power of stupidity and especially in the states where pretty much everything is bigger. In my opinion we have nothing to apologise for in Ireland aside from bloody Sunday and for as long as Ulster wishes our presence they may have it.
