Mmm...... How little you know, that's not an insult, just a fact. Why do you think the IRA lived so long, when the paramilitaries UVF, UDA, etc were fighting them with the assistance of the British government. The people supported them. The IRA were the only hope of the minority enclaves, stopping the butchers of the shankhill from mass murder, imagine going to bed barricading your children upstairs and standing watch all night, every night! These people had the real threat of being murdered, in 1968 they had little to no weapons, to live, they had to arm. I served in Ireland at 18, I then had numerous postings from 3 - 4 months in duration, I read Irish history and learned of the atrocities committed by successive British governments against the Irish nation. Yes very much so, in my opinion, your aristocracy has very much to apologies to the Irish nation. Regards Highlander
You're a shame, both to the nation and the armed forces, an utter disgrace. I have no further wish to debate with a childish, chronic liar who is both mentally and educationally deficient. FYI I worked with people who were there as well and some who actually had an overall view of the situation courtesy of their rank.
Oooh, raw nerve, good! So you'd understand the FRI and there assistance with setting up murders? Rank has two meanings, and you miss the obvious! But again, i don't have your shame! Highlander
Butchers? I guess you forgot Omagh, the bombings, knee-cappings, executions and indiscriminate murders of innocent bystanders, Protestant and Catholic alike, by the pigs of the PIRA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omagh_bombing
No I certainly haven't forgotten anything. Omagh was set off by the army. They had been previously informed that the bomb was there and they had received the password to confirm the authenticity. Knee cappings a brutal punishment, executions by both sides, a culmination of British policies in Ireland. I was very lucky myself to leave with out being shot. They missed, I can hear Pro counsel now! Regards Highlander
Unless you actually have something credible to say, then don't bother. All right go on, what is it? And what shame is that? Having known of your existence perhaps? No just because you have a "different" opinion, however skewed doesn't mean that I'd want you dead. And you still can't spell.
I though you werent speaking to me, there isn't anything personnel in my submission only the facts as I can best tell from either experience or reading. http://www.globalresearch.ca/search?q=Ireland+troubles As for rank, I'll let you work that one out for yourself. I joined the forces ignorant of the Irish history, I learned, you had a better opportunity to see first hand the outcomes of British policies. I learned! Regards Highlander
The Omagh bombing was planned, organised and perpetrated by the IRA who themselves claimed responsibility and 'apologised'. Any attempt to minimise their guilt is futile. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/events/northern_ireland/focus/153629.stm
Did I? You have the agenda, not me, I only look at the facts and deal with then without rancour and impartially, try it! A good orange man me thinks. But you'll learn, or die in ignorance! Regards Highlander
Yeah, you did; "Omagh was set off by the army". Is that not an attempt at diverting guilt from those who built the bomb, planned the attack and placed the bomb? The IRA even admitted they did it, so it "was set off by the army" is a laughably dumb comment, frankly. Oh, and I follow no faith. I leave that to partisan idiots who use it as an excuse for murder.
No. I said that refuse to resume this debate with you. What I was doing was making an enquiry because half the things you say are incoherent and unclear. I can't read your mind, can I? If you really were a soldier then you'd understand the value of communication. It's certainly what was they were looking for in BT . My family on both sides has spent at least generations in service to the public from soldiers to policemen. I know better than most people about Britain and the empire. I've also spent a great part of my life dedicated to the pursuit of historical knowledge and more than that as well. For example my signature, I started reading him when I was 17 and I'm teaching myself a foreign language. Arabic btw Poorly! I mean Jesus Christ, the first thing you do when you use the internet or even hardbacks is you cross reference for accuracy. This is something that you've failed to do and it shows, blatantly so.
How, the screening device set the bomb off! Fact! How does that change anything I've said? The pira did say they set the bomb, I agreed! They did notify the security services, I agreed! I leave stupidity to idiots, your agenda is showing! At no time have I stated anything other than the facts, I have no need to listen to your womanly emotions. Highlander
Read books certainly, we all read the same books we all come to the same conclusions. Try an alternative to those allowed,try thinking using the thought processes, not being lead like a sheep. Regards Highlander
the problem in NI is the bigots on both sides. once the Catholic bigots and the Protestant bigots get over their bigotry, things will be ok.
That's why I said to cross reference your material because there is an awful lot of trash and yes it's also written in print as well. I don't think anyone can accuse me of being a sheep because these opinions that I have happen to be my own.
I certainly wouldn't accuse anyone of anything,but...... You did mention earlier your experience of the British empire, but it's the perspective you see compared to the reality on the ground. Regards Highlander
One pointed at one, the other pointed at the first, trouble is, who is doing the pointing? If a child misbehaves you blame the parent, they control the child. In this instance, the crown controls, those marginalised speak out, with the tools used against them. Regards Highlander
for Christ's sake, do you EVER stop trolling about Muslims and Arabs????????? give a rest already!!!!
Perhaps it escapes Highlander's recollection that the reason the British army was originally deployed to Ulster in the 1960s was ostensibly to prevent Protestant violence against the Catholic minority in "The Six Counties". Due to the innate bias of the English/Scottish toward the Protestants, this state of affairs didn't last very long but that doesn't mean the Protestant violence wasn't there. Has Highlander actually met any Protestant Northern Irish: I have. My impression of them doesn't match his paradisical view of the situation at all. It's a bit like negro slavery in the United States turned out to be: we got rid of it 150 years ago but there is still a fair bit of racism toward blacks in America. What makes you think centuries of toxic history (which was largely created by the Brits, I'll admit, but Brits includes a lot of Scottish Presbyterians) will vanish in the political equivalent of the blink of an eye? Some Ulstermen still perform Orange Marches, after all!
That's probably why it started off with a question... I posted this thread to learn. Thanks for your input, I'll read on...
Has anyone mentioned the expulsions yet? Much of the Irish in my tree apparently came from this region and may have had their land taken and put on a boat west. Word on the street is that you were forced to America or Australia for various reasons. This fits my ancestral timeline: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Rebellion_of_1798 "The Irish Rebellion of 1798 , also known as the United Irishmen Rebellion, was an uprising against British rule in Ireland lasting from May to September 1798. The United Irishmen, a republican revolutionary group influenced by the ideas of the American and French revolutions, were the main organising force behind the rebellion." So were they terrorists? Some 40,000 were arrested and sent to Australia and I'm pretty sure a great many more ended up here. Hey, I'm only partially Irish but I like to know my history as best I can.
Oh, no worries. I was probably being a bit too harsh there. I do try to be impartial but I do make mistakes on occasion. If you have the time then I would recommend watching this as it explains the nature of the IRA in the 50's. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPbIgx5mSVM However after the borders campaign it became something of a free for all for anyone who wanted to grab a gun which is where the troubles became a serious problem. So they changed from a band of misguided idealists to true terrorists and gangsters. And of course there's all sorts of stuff that you can find on google, wikipedia e.t.c.
So were they terrorists? Revolutionaries. As terrorism is basically about murdering innocent civilians. Although at that time it may of been considered a prelude to terrorism.
