Now, the liberals move to control your diet....

I disagree. Being disciplined is a choice regardless of genetics. No one ever said being healthy is easy. It does take some work, which is why the obesity rate is what it is. Let’s be honest...it’s easier to not be disciplined and not have self control. It’s easier to sit ones ass on the couch to watch tv than it is to workout. It’s easier to grab fast food than to plan out and cook healthier meals every night. It’s easier to take the elevator or escalator than it is to use the stairs. It’s much more fun to eat cookies or ice cream every night instead of limiting it to one or two nights a week. And having one cookie instead of five or having a small bowl of ice cream instead of a half gallon. Sorry, but blaming food for people being obese is an excuse. If you’re someone who is mentally and physically able and obese you only have yourself to blame.

 

In the context that an obese person should avoid going to a donut shop- you are right. That IS self control Intentionally increasing the temptation, then saying you couldn't resist is... a choice.
However, that doesn't mean society should ban donut shops. Not the same context I was talking about. The person is responsible for the position they put themselves in.

The most effective way is to quit cold turkey, but the number of people with the courage to stick that out is very small in serious drug addiction. The group I did programs for was called Parallax; the people I got were learning to take control for the long term and stay clean; their basic addiction was behind them. I've known lots of alcoholics and long-term smokers that did cold-turkey successfully, but not many serious addicts.

Your problem is that you think that because that ability isn't functioning spontaneously, the person must not have it. That is not the case. The way you are imprinted and programmed as you grow up will mask many things in a person, including the capacity for self discipline and independent decisions. If you can't do something because it appears most people can't- that is a choice. It may be buried, but it is there, and a determined person can find it. The reason to look is that it contains a great deal of power over life, including the things everyone looks for- happiness, love, success. People will define those things in different ways, but the power to really have them all is being able to manage your own computer- the one located between the ears.

 

The experts' views on preserving "good-health" are well known, and often ignored.
In a free country the people decide. Nevertheless, even the ignorant and uniformed value cold hard cash. The opportunity to get their hands on excess funds in their vested healthcare account would be an incentive for good-health practices.

Eliminate the minimum wage and subsidize menial labor and everyone who can and wants to work will be productively employed. Those who cannot work because of some handicap should be, so long as it is possible, fully supported.
Those who can work but choose not to should receive the full humane embrace of the nanny state. Their ranks will shrink very fast.

 

The grossest assault on people’s rights since they banned cigarette machines! What next, incandescent light bulbs????

Meanwhile, the reactionary right wing worships a wannabe king.

 

I think the topic here is Berkley, CA, and what they want to ban. Who cares, it's CA and Nancy Pelosi's brother just banned the sale of any new gasoline powered vehicles and on the same day told the declining tax paying population of that state that they did not have enough electricity to enable everyone to use their air conditioning full time.
The land of fruits and nuts!

 

Have you admitted that the people of Berkeley are making this decision for themselves? How do you know the voters and residents of Berkeley don't approve of this law? Are people complaining?

If Berkeley doesn't like the law, they will elect a new city council and mayor. Being very familiar with the Bay Area, I can tell you the people of Berkeley have no issue with this law. None whatsoever.

 

It's one of the more fascinating cultures, I think. However, they have their own set of problems. I just read this morning of the apparent suicide of one of Japan's leading actresses who was only 40. Suicides are a big thing in Japan, has always been by some measures, but even more so within the last 10 years, along with zero population growth. They have societal issues they have as yet been able to make any progress in correcting.

 

Baloney. Trump's supporters booed their "wannabe king" when he praised their repulsive RP governor in Ohio, and when he promoted wearing masks.
Support for Trump is far from unconditional.
Democrats should stop being chumps and try that approach on their politicians - they might get better service out of them.

"n the House of Representatives, there are 257 who are Democrats; only 177 are Republican. In the Senate there are 67 Democrats; only 33 are Republicans. The Party that you backed controls two-thirds of the House of Representatives and the Senate, and still they can’t keep their promise to you, ’cause you’re a chump."
SHADOWPROOF.COM, MALCOLM X: “DON’T BE A CHUMP”, By Jane Hamsher, 26/8/2009.
https://shadowproof.com/2009/08/26/malcolm-x-dont-be-a-chump/

 

If it creates a healthier populace, combats the obesity epidemic in adults and children, and has the snack food and candy companies running, what bad can it really do?

 

Asians have always eaten loads of carbs (rice and different breads), plus very sweet teas and other drinks, but have only just recently started consuming larger amounts of meat and dairy.

 

1) The Govt has NEVER recommended people eat processed food. In fact all the advice from Govt is to avoid processed foods.

2) The reason we have an obesity problem is that even the poorest of us can now afford huge quantities of meat and dairy .. AND no longer exercise.

 

You can't combat obesity by moving candy.

 

You are trying to get chemicals to do the job of exercise!!!! It's a cheat, and a bloody dangerous one at that.

The only safe and healthy and long term way to ensure your metabolism is working at maximum efficiency is MOVEMENT. Exercise is what regulates the endocrine system. Without it you are trying to 'trick' the body into producing the same effect (which it never will, because the full effects of exercise are much broader), and that's incredibly stupid and dangerous.

 

My dear, I could eat half a loaf of (wholemeal) bread at 6am and it's burned off cleanly and completely by 9am. You can't 'store' what you've burned off.

High fat proteins OTOH, take many many hours - or even days - to burn off, even with adequate exercise.

 

No, it's the meat and dairy.

The quantities of meat and cheese that Americans and other Westerners eat is insane. No one should ever consume more than a small handful of red meat, once or twice a week. And cheese is like expensive dark chocolate - a luxury food eaten sparingly. Protein should come primarily from fish, eggs, nuts, and pulses. Fats should come from olive oil, nuts, vegetables like avocado, and deep sea fish. Fresh fruit and veg .. not canned or processed. Loads of brown rice, potato, or wholemeal breads/pastas for bulk. Don't add salt, never add sugar (we don't even keep sugar in the house unless a specific recipe calls for it, and a pound of salt lasts us a year). If you need 'saltiness', use Tamari - a low sodium Japanese version of soy sauce.

 

Yes you can.

 

that is good, not everyone can, like I said, do not eat more carbs than you can safely store in the liver, burn off some carbs and you can eat some more - sounds like your following my advice

nope, takes just as long to burn 100 calories of fat as a 100 calories of carbs - but if you eat carbs too often, your body may block you from accessing that fat energy and tell you your hungry again, thus making you fat and hungry as carbs raise insulin and insulin is a fat storage hormone

how do farmers fatten up cattle.... feed them grains

if your already thin, you have more flexibility, if you want to lose weight, lower the carbs and eat carbs less frequently

 

nope, you're trying to ignore that hormones play a role in weight lose, you are not gonna lose weight with high insulin, as that is the fat storage hormone

eating low carb is not dangerous, eating high carb low fat is dangerous and can cause metabolic disease, like diabetes, cancer, ect.....

Exercise is healthy... Regardless of your diet - but you can't exercise away a bad diet

but weight lose is mostly diet.... lower the carbs if you want to lose weight

you act like you can only exercise on your diet, sorry, wrong... you can and should exercise on low carb diets as well

good thread over here on diet

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...i-highly-recommend-it.552217/#post-1070318891

 

you must be vegan, but the truth is, meat, fish, eggs and butter are healthy

 

The point is that we should all be exercising enough to burn off what we eat. We're trying avoid becoming obese, remember!

Also, I'm never been even slightly overweight in my life, and I eat carbs all day long. Cows get fat on grains because they're penned in to feed lots and can't exercise.

 

were also trying to help people that are overweight lose weight, you telling them to eat lots of carbs is not helping

and as I said, "you act like you can only exercise on your diet, sorry, wrong... you can and should exercise on low carb diets as well"

so that we agree on, exercise is healthy

"Also, I'm never been even slightly overweight in my life"

then do you really know how to lose weight?

cows gain weight cause of the grain, take away the grain, and they do not gain the weight, same living conditions

 

I'm not even remotely vegan. Where did you get that idea from?

Red meat is 'healthy' in small quantities, as long as it's not processed or otherwise adulterated. IOW, plain fresh cuts. Eggs are healthy in moderation. Fish is awesome, and so are nuts and pulses.

 

I'm telling fatties to put down the meat/cheese, and start exercising to correct metabolic underperformance.

 

glad to hear we agree there, we never talked quantities though, you just said meat and dairy were bad and lots of carbs were good

I would also say eat nuts in moderation, if trying to lose weight... weight them, nuts have lots of calories, more than many might think

 

they need to reduce the carbs, insulin is a fat storage hormone, if you want the body to use your fat as energy, you need to lower the insulin

if you have higher insulin and your sugar level drops, your body will send messages to the brain saying your hungry, if insulin is low, it will just use your own body fat - hunger is caused by a chemical reaction in the body called ghrelin (the hunger hormone), learn about ghrelin and insulin and you will learn why people are fat