NRA and the Like, Get Out Your Checkbooks

A right can not infringe on those of any other person, or place undue burden on the general public. A person with mental disorders which can cause violence outbursts endangers the general public, and allowing them to own firearms makes that danger even worse.

 

What people miss with natural rights are natural responsibilities. There are responsibilities that go along with rights and if those responsibilities are shirked, either willingly or in the case of someone mentally ill or deficient and unable to understand the responsibility, the right is null and void. We have laws that take away your rights if you shirk the responsibilities that are inherent.

 

If she stops taking her medication, then what? That does happen at times you know.

 

don't need gasses to see your lack of argument. Your rebuttal is currently......nu uh.

 

You just don't want to admit that your wrong. One does not need a very strong argument to rebut what you post in many threads.

 

Oh, for crying out load, we got everything we needed at the hospital but it still required her signature in order for me to get her records.

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once more, are you really that ignorant about the law???;

http://www.iowalegalaid.org/resource/doctorpatient-privilege-in-civil-court-cases?ref=34FlN
Doctor-Patient Privilege In Civil Court Cases
Information

"A practicing. . . counselor, physician,. . .[or] mental health profaessional, . . . who obtains information by reason of the person's employment. . .shall not be allowed, in giving testimony, to disclose any confidential communication properly entrusted to the person in the person's professional capacity."
Iowa Code § 622.10

Under most circumstances your doctor or counselor cannot give your records to anyone but you. The goal is to encourage complete and honest communication between doctor and patient. This privilege is based on the constitutional right to privacy. This protection is also found in Iowa statutes. Therefore, unless you have given the doctor or counselor permission to do so, it is wrong to reveal this privileged and confidential information. Giving permission is sometimes called "waiving" the privilege or signing a release so a third party can get your records.

This protection does not go away just because you are involved in a court case. In cases such as custody, divorce, or domestic abuse, for example, the other side may ask you to hand over all your medical and mental health records. This is done through a "discovery request" or "request for production of documents." In most circumstances, you do not have to give the other side your records.



http://www.google.com/search?q=doctor+client+privilege+for+the+mentally+disturbed&hl=en&gbv=2&oq=doctor+client+privilege+for+the+mentally+disturbed&gs_l=heirloom-serp.3...3388.33498.0.34009.27.7.0.20.0.0.110.736.1j6.7.0....0...1ac..34.heirloom-serp..21.6.628.njtI3SGK7EQ

Issues of special importance to mental health professionals

 

so tell us, what was in plain sight for the officers that went to see your buddy, Eric???

 

Quit with the stupidity, O.K.?? Or do you like looking foolish all the time??? Gun ownership is a R-I-G-H-T in this nation. There have been some restrictions put upon it but it's still the law of the land so get use to it and stop making silly statements.

 

So you should know that the Doctor Client privilege is alive and well in this nation regardless of what some say about it, right??? (and just so you know, I have 1 son-in-law with 26 years in law enforcement and is now a detective in Calf., another with 14 years with the county in Washington, and another with 10 years with city and State in Washington, while I served as a reserve officer for 3 years. )

 

Once more, define "Mental disorder". That term takes in a LOT of territory. If you can NOT define it then your just spitting into the wind.

 

But in this case the officers didn't observer anything really out of line.

 

she gets more worried about something happening to one of the our kids or grandchildren, that's all.

 

I do not want guns in every available hand neither do most gun-rights advocates. We are the ones speaking out against it and there should be others shouting against it as well. This is far broader than just guns, they are just the excuse IMO. The quote in my signature from Plato describes it well IMO. Be it the war on terror, the war on drugs, or the war on violence I do not believe they make us safer.

 

I am not wrong. If you think so try telling us how otherwise stop wasting my time with useless posts.

 

I left out a important part in my response. If they are that sick that they are dangerous, I am not opposed to hospitalization as long as it is not like the horror stories from the past. That is expensive so many conservatives would balk most likely. Just disarming them still leaves them walking the streets and still dangerous. If they are not dangerous then they should not be disarmed. My rant in the last post was aimed at the feel good law in question not getting actual help for the mentally ill.

 

They were not rights until a bunch of guys decided that they were to be written down and called rights. If rights can be written by a few men they can be changed or withdrawn by a few men. Besides which the 2nd Amendment is an anachronism and largely irrelevant and unnecessary in the 21st century.

 

Like Hell they can.....

 

You express the relatively unenlightened view of man as God.

 

It isn't I who sees your 'rights' as "God given". Ask some of your gun obsessives.

 

Yes, I get it. You believe man as God and the only arbiter of truth.

 

I don't believe in mythology-especially the religious kind. I prefer Harry Potter if I want to read about "ghoulies, and ghosties and long leggedy beasties and things that go bump in the night". (extracted from Scottish prayer)

 

You also don't understand much about human nature and the philosophy behind rights or behind religion for that matter..

 

Uh huh.

Aside from your clear hatred of the NRA, which makes no sense whatsoever, your enemy here is the Constitution itself.

1) Medical confidentiality laws, and
2) The right to due process.

 

Your blind faith in government is common among anti-gun liberals, and has no logical basis whatsoever.

Hitler was voted into office democratically.

The US government has an expanded Patriot Act and is killing its own citizens overseas.

Defense from government tyranny has no expiration date.

Putting the entire country at risk over emotional upset caused by media coverage of mentally deranged people with guns is not an excuse to roll back or abolish gun rights.

 

If you feel your time is being wasted, then don't respond. That's what I usually do when it comes to many of your posts.