NY Times caught once again promoting leftist propaganda

Some people are too fragile to engage in debate, I guess.

 

Then feel free to enter the debate at any time; link to sources that support your assertions, for example. You're simply making noise...

 

That's certainly a bit stereotypical about a 'remote' area. I've also lived in a variety of settings, and noticed ignorance ran quite deep in areas with little political diversity. Whether conservative or liberal, living within an echo chamber is what makes one ignorant, I'd hope you'd agree.

Thanks for the link to the mediabiasfactcheck site; I've often used it before and I appreciate that you also see it as having value. Most newspaper or network fact check sites are anything but, in my experience.

And I appreciate you taking the time to respond in a thoughtful manner; I initially assumed you were simply another troll taking shots, what with the 'FFS' opening post.

While I agree that Reuters, for the most part, is an unbiased news source, I'd suggest using caution with many AP articles, as they are often pulled from other news sources and will, at times, show bias.

And my last point is about bias; you seem to believe, from what I can gather, that there is little in the mainstream media. My belief is that many mainstream news sources, such as the NY Times and the Washington Post, are as biased to the left as Fox News or Breitbart are to the right. I've posted extensively about this, so I won't bother to do so again.

Why do I believe this? How often are mistakes made and retractions required from mainstream media sources that showed conservatives or the right in a favorable light and the left in an unfavorable light?

Anyway, thanks again for putting some thought into your later posts, I enjoyed the debate and hope you wish to continue...

 

The assertion is yours. Prove it by feeling "free to enter the debate at any time; link to sources that support your assertions, for example. You're simply making noise.."

 

Same logic applies to Hitler.

Neither's contributions to the world deserve celebration or glorification.

They were both murderous scum.

 

Yes, they were. But it's silly to try and pretend they didn't exist. They both had huge impacts on human history.

 

Really Jake? Now you're actually using my exact words to make your point? I'm a bit puzzled; is this simply laziness on your part, or a lack of intellectual will to engage?

At times you DO make cogent remarks, so I'll keep engaging you and hope for the best and not simply ignore you. But you truly have to try harder...

 

I'll jump in since it's my OP.

You bring up a good point Daniel, but try to imagine if Fox or another rightwing mirror of the leftist New York Times wrote the headline, "Adolph Hitler, who unified and revitalized German industry, died on this date..."

Can you imagine the deserved outrage?

And would you agree that context would be needed here?

 

wasn't that ten years after the revolution? I made no illusions to him being a successful governor, but that does not take away from him being a great revolutionary.

 

I am not defending the times, but your characterization that he was not a great revolutionary.

 

What they pretend not to understand is that "great" does not necessarily mean "good".

 

He was a successful governor in exactly the same way he was a great revolutionary. He accomplished what he set out to do: destroy Chinese society in order to rebuild it according to his ideas of a perfect society. He "revolutionized" agriculture by applying Marxist/Leninist theory are engineered a great famine. He "revolutionized" the economy by diverting resources from productive sectors into hare-brained schemes to rapidly industrialize the rural areas. (These two revolutions are called "The Great Leap Forward," fyi) We have already discussed how he revolutionized the culture by the destruction of cultural treasures and the burning of books.

These are the accomplishments that led the NYT to call him a great revolutionary. He didn't revolutionize China, he destroyed it. He was a "great revolutionary" in exactly the same way that a man with a spray can who defaces the Mona Lisa is a "great painter."

You and others have tried to justify his "greatness" by ascribing to him the accomplishments of others, such as deposing the Emperor, defeating the warlords, unifying the country and building a vibrant economy.

Just what accomplishments of Mao do you consider justify the adjective "great?"

 

True these horrible people and their policies existed and we should always remember the horrors of socialism, either national or in Maoism...but not glorify them, remember and never go down that path again.

 

Back at ya ... a civil and thoughtful debate is how I learn, and it keeps me from falling into an echo chamber.

As for that bit about retractions, it's true that WAPO and NYT have had to retract now and then when the jumped too hard to the left, but think about this: when was the last time that Fox News, Breitbart, or any right wing media source admitted to any error, much less printed or stated a detraction? At least WAPO and the NYT have the courage to admit mistakes.

 

Typical conservative hypocrisy. The only partisan news allowed is Fox Spews. Right?

 

Fox News has made plenty of retractions; Seth Rich, Olympic diversity, a dude carrying a gun to a Reno political rally... I found these by simply searching online for 'Fox News retracts.'

And even without the online search I was aware of a couple of these; I'm not a regular watcher of Fox, but I do check their website at times along with the NY Times, Washington Post, The Daily Caller etc. And what I've found is most media bias is not about what they cover, but what they ignore. Hence, those in a political bubble are not even aware of what is often excellent reporting outside their echo chamber.

Unfortunately, the NY Times and Washington Post are thought by many to be unbiased sources of news, which is certainly not the case. Yet without broadening their horizons a bit, these same people will remain ignorant, imo...

 

So a revolutionary who causes great starvation among the people great damage to the economy and great destruction of an ancient and sophisticated culture is a great revolutionary?

 

Then there is the third deal. The attempted trashing of Judge Kavanaugh. That lie has been broken wide open because the woman who was "wronged" doesnt even remember anything about it, or if it actually happened. Then secondly, this attack group has connections with Hillary Clinton. The old crone is still trying to "get" President Trump, and anyone connected to him.

 

You are absolutely right about the fact that what the NYT and the rest of the MSM DOESNT report on, leaves their followers ignorant of the facts. In many cases what they dont report on is worse than their fake news and lies.

 

And still going down.

THESE DAYS, JUST THE FACT THAT IT’S IN THE NYT IS A STRONG INDICATOR OF TRAINWRECKERY: Howard Kurtz: How I realized the NY Times Kavanaugh story was a train wreck.

in an opinion-section essay adapted from their forthcoming book, reporters Robin Pogrebin and Kate Kelly cited only one second-hand source. They didn’t even talk to that source, a former Yale classmate named Max Stier, directly. They got his account from two unnamed “officials” who had spoken to him.

And we all know what "unnamed officials" as quoted in the Fake News New York Slimes means.

At least two members of the Senate Judiciary Committee knew of the allegation last year and did nothing with it. Even some Democrats on the panel didn’t think it was worthy of mentioning. Senate Democrats had this information before Justice Kavanaugh was confirmed but never said a word about it.

The Washington Post, refused to publish the story because the intermediaries declined to identify the alleged witness and because the woman who was said to be involved declined to comment.

The main driver, Max "*****" Stier defended Bill Clinton against sexual allegations.

Mitch McConnell noted on the Senate floor yesterday, even after the correction, none of the 2020 contenders has backed off.

The Fake News New York Times Even promoted the shoving of a penis in another's face as "harmless fun".

“Having a penis thrust in your face at a drunken dorm party may seem like harmless fun. But when Brett Kavanaugh did it to her, Deborah Ramirez says, it confirmed that she didn’t belong at Yale in the first place.”​

Harmless fun?

 

All I hear is crying,sobbing and weeping. Nobody forces you to buy or read any of the stuff from NYT.

 

He may have thrown a home run pitch, but you whiffed, you missed the ball completely. You struck out.

 

Projecting a bit here, are we?

I realize many leftists in their echo chamber refuse to read or view anything that doesn't fit their bias. In fact, you just demonstrated this by suggesting I remain in a conservative echo chamber.

I get it, nobody likes to have their worldview questioned.

But those of us who show just a bit of curiosity seek news from many sources, including leftist ones such as the New York Times and Washington Post.

How about this; instead of simply criticizing those who disagree with your politics, defend the New York Times as not being a leftist rag and we'll discuss it. Heck, it might even get you to briefly exit your bubble...

 

Hey, it was just some people who did something.

 

Again...great...does not mean good.

Why is reading so hard for you. In this context it means "influential"