NYC may end its gifted and talented program for students.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/26/nyregion/gifted-programs-nyc-desegregation.html

A public school system which produced 23 Nobel Laureates may be dismantled because not enough Black and Hispanic students are qualified to be admitted to the gifted programs.

I guess you have to make a choice. What is more important: desegregation or educating the best and the brightest to realize their potential?

 

Ayuh,..... This would be a big boom for charter schools,....

Cheaper to run, 'n better results,.....

 

Everybody wins a trophy!

 

And the gifted and talented kids will now go to private schools. Liberal forced integration has always failed and it always will. What they need is the threat of violence. If a white parent wants to pull his kid out of a school that is starting to fail, threaten prison. Forced integration can work if you trample all over the freedom of association clause. Liberals love their top down authoritarianism.

 

The system definitely needs an overhaul. Early tests to enter the program discriminate against students who transfer in or kids whose parents don't drill them on standardized tests at 4 years old.

 

I was in those gifted programs growing up. The theory was to allow those students able to excel to be segregated (ooooh shudder!!!) so as to not be held back by those that couldn't - and to allow the slower students to also be segregated so they could get the extra help they needed.

There are two major issues with this.

1) The students that excelled in my day were almost all white (now white and Asian).
2) The backward students were populated with some (not all) kids that were animals, and the teachers lost control of the classes, and all were shuffled along under "social promotion' to get rid of them.

We now have this mentality that if the schools aren't perfectly proportioned by race in every good way (except the basketball team) then we are evil vicious racists that must be expunged from life.

 

Asian priverage is a big problem. Too bad they can't find a way to help the slower students catch up.

 

So you want to punish parents/kids who begin preparing for life at an early age? Life is a competition, the cream rises to the top, diluting it only weakens us and dumbs down the school system and the kids who attend them.

 

You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Slow kids are slow.

 

Charter Schools.

 

"What is more important: desegregation or educating the best and the brightest to realize their potential?"

Obviously its desegregation.

 

Good point. You can't milk a turtle!

 

So people who don't prepare are discriminated against for a gifted program? Say it isn't so!

 

I was one of those "gifted" kids. I had zero prep from my parents, and I recall the test being almost entirely puzzle-related. Things like matching shapes, picking up on patterns, stuff like that. In fact I believe the whole point of the tests is to try to target innate intelligence and NOT just learned knowledge.

My experience mirrored straight ahead's. The point of the gifted programs had nothing to do with race or gender or socioeconomic standing, the point was to separate the smarter kids so they wouldn't be held back by the slower kids, and also to separate the slower kids so they could get all the help they needed. Gifted classes were also meant to keep the smarter kids challenged ---- the thought was that they'd be bored in "regular" classes, and that likewise the slower kids would be lost trying to keep pace with the smarter kids.

 

I attended a school for the gifted and I was not “prepared” by my parents to pass an entrance exam. None of my classmates were.

These schools are considered to be elitist by the reds. They must be eradicated.

 

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-borough...c-public-schools-panel-recommends-ending-them
In short: It has to do that kids are tested at age 4, and than are appointed to a school.

When poor people work more than 1 job of 40 hours a week to get the food on the table with some dead end low wage job. Than it does mean they can not care for their children as well as a person who doesn't need to do that. So the system benefits the people with higher income on average.... while it was designed to even out the playing field made by income.

 

Send you kids to private schools if you want them to even have a halfway decent future.
Our public education system continues to degrade.

 

If you don't have the time or money to raise your kid well, maybe you shouldn't have a kid yet, instead of criticizing a system which recognizes and nurtures the smarter kids (who may or may not also have better parents.)

I agree with you.

 

I am not interested in leveling the playing field by intentionally giving gifted children a poor education.

In any case, many of the Asian kids who end up in gifted programs are as poor as any in NYC.

 

Can't create equality of outcome? Well, guess we'll just go after the exceptional because REEEE.

Sounds like socialism.

 

Socialist countries don’t even do this.

 

so NYC should spend the millions or billions of dollars it takes to give poor kids all the neccessary primary school education and study prep and after school programs they need to achieve and perform better

killing advanced classes and schools is the coward's way out, and I hope DeBlasio does the right thing

 

this is a fact that Progressives refuse to acknowledge.

I went to school with Chinese kids in the Lower East Side of Manhattan, and most of them were DIRT, and I do mean DIRT poor. Tiny apartments with the bathtub in the kitchen, you wouldnt believe what I saw.

and now, most of those kids are doing pretty good for themselves.

why? cause their parents demanded excellence and their friends and social circle wanted to achieve and get out of the Asian Ghetto.

 

Yeah well. You got right Christian conservatives demanding women may not have an abortion, and you got them same people who don't want to give any financial aid to those people. Do note,... the system in the US indeed is crap. Hence they want to change it. It's "different" in the EU.

 

Having a head start at 4 year old because your parents were able to afford better care, can hardly be considered to be "gifted".

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