Obama Admin Tells Landlords They Can’t Refuse To House Criminals

so you think a landlord shouldn't get your social security number because you're worried they will steal your identity? do you think a landlord, who likely has several hundred thousand dollar properties, wants to risk losing ALL of that, to steal what is usually mediocre credit? do you genuinely believe someone who has worked their way to having these properties is a high risk for stealing your identity??? do you seriously believe that???

now if you're telling me, you want to rent a room from someone who lives in a pretty ghetto area, hey I'm with you, thats a horrible time to give someone your social security number, they have little attachment to that place they are subleasing you a room in right... but from established landlords with large apartment dwellings, you're THAT paranoid you're telling me?

(and believe me, I am normally in the boat of, don't give your social security number to anyone, even the phone and cable companies who don't need it, its a hassle but eventually they will give you the services after you get transferred through multiple people to a supervisor who knows how to process your application without one, but to ask a landlord to put their dwelling worth hundreds of thousands of dollars at risk for someone with no validation of who they are, you're not going to be renting a nice place)

 

Can you guarantee me that there are not criminal organizations who are also landlords ? Come on.

do you think a landlord, who likely has several hundred thousand dollar properties, wants to risk losing ALL of that, to steal what is usually mediocre credit? do you genuinely believe someone who has worked their way to having these properties is a high risk for stealing your identity??? do you seriously believe that???

The regulations can not say "its ok for one and not the other". Its not like criminals can not own reputable establishments nor are they necessarily risking those establishments by giving the info to someone else since there are many ways that info can be stolen.

It's a tough one. I once was looking to rent a house and the dude wanted my SSN. The dude was sketchy as can be and when I refused to provide he actually got pissed off and was visibly (scarily so in fact) upset.

Need a way to do a credit check without one's SSN number.

 

I agree to an extent, I think really all criminal records should be sealed upon completion of ones time.... maybe auto sealed after say 5 years with no new crimes committed or something

while someone is on probation\parole, they shoudl be able to be discriminated against

somehow though we have to allow them to try again, otherwise they just become career criminals

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The federal government creeps into your life little by little, always under good pretenses and once there they can order you around and tell you what to do.
People looking for more big repressive government in their lives just don't like freedom and need a mommy and daddy to run their whole lives for them.
It's sad when you realize it.

 

Nope still are

 

A criminal record does not automatically license discrimination, any more than does race, ethnicity or religion.

If I, as a landlord, can show that any prospective renter - regardless of a criminal record, her race, her ethnicity, or her religion - constitutes a danger to neighbours, she can be refused.

 

and if you don't follow the government laws, you become they criminal

Prohibition
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you take a nice family drinking wine with dinner, arrest them for nothing more then drinking wine with dinner, give them a criminal record, it's the gateway to crime for many

 

if you're worried about your social security number that much, there is a VERY simple method you can do to protect yourself from credit lines opening... you call the big 3 credit bureau's and ask them to freeze your credit... what this does is not allow anyone to run a credit check on you, which will prevent people from opening most lines of credit, which essentially protects your identity and credit record from abuses... do NOT use places that promise to "monitor" your credit as a protection method, only freezing your credit by directly contacting each bureau and going through the formal process will accomplish what you want...

I actually recommend people do this until they plan to open a line of credit, like get a new credit card, or get a bank loan... you can temporarily lift the credit freeze (how long and in what way varies slightly by each company), so you can allow say a week you plan to buy a new car from being shut out, or some will allow you to specifically authorize a single company to perform a soft inquiry.. like I said that varies slightly by each company... but freezing it directly means nobody can screw with you...

(essentially this is the best way to prevent identity theft, they may steal your information, but it becomes useless when they can''t open anything, way better than "monitoring" which only tells you after you're screwed, why not prevent the screwing in the first place)

P.S. if you do this you need to do the big 3... doing one won't cover all 3, each one has a separate process... but doing this can give you the ultimate protection... personally I think a national law should be passed making your credit records frozen by default but politicians get pissy about this because of lobbyists influencing them on this issue...

P.S.S. I should also add... feel free to contact your local politicians about this issue as well.. demand they have credit frozen until released by default... this will cut down a TON of fraud... it may be an inconvenience for some who want instant access some day, but lets be honest, the number of times you need it are VERY FEW... this needs to be done nationally now to protect americans...

 

In the OP of course.. Try reading about the topic before responding.

 

Absolutely right. And just because they're been convicted of murdering a family of three doesn't mean they'll ever be a risk to anyone. I seem to recall the King discussing prohibiting employers from asking about criminal convictions.

 

If anyone is deemed to still pose a risk, after however many decades he spends in prison, there is no requirement to rent to him.

 

except Obama pushing to make ex-cons a protected class, you're right.


What happens if I decide an ex-murderer is still a risk, and you don't think it's a risk for me to rent?

that's the funny thing about liberal policies... you don't mind forcing ME to rent to people I would deem dangerous, but you... well you have a way to justfify not renting to them if it's YOUR property I notice.

 

You may regard anti-discrimination safeguards as "liberal", but the law does not permit you to discriminate against Americans merely because they are of a race or religion that you don't like. Or, just because they had, at some time, been convicted of a crime.

As a landlord, I am well aware that, if I can show evidence that any prospective tenant constitutes a danger - whether he has a criminal record or not - I can refuse to rent to him.

 

Yah I did, they didn't say it's racist, they said its effects some races more than others. Not the same.

 

“The Fair Housing Act prohibits both intentional housing discrimination and housing practices that have an unjustified discriminatory effect because of race, national origin, or other protected characteristics,” say HUD’s newly-released guidelines. “Because of widespread racial and ethnic disparities in the U.S. criminal justice system, criminal history-based restrictions on access to housing are likely disproportionately to burden African-Americans and Hispanics. While the Act does not prohibit housing providers from appropriately considering criminal history information when making housing decisions, arbitrary and overbroad criminal history-related bans are likely to lack a legally sufficient justification.”


Yes.. it does.

 

just the races that have a disproportionate percentage in prisons. Which race is that again?

 

if you want to rent to criminals... more power to you. Someone eventually will pick up the slack because their money is as good as anyone else's money. I'm also sure you can charge them more for a 1 bd/1 bath apartment than you could a person with no criminal record because the non-criminal has more economic substitutes for apartments.


However, like tattooing your face prevents you from getting hired at a lot of places....... this was a self-inflicted issue. No one forced the tattoo'd guy to tattoo "no regerts" on his face, so he can't be mad that he can't find meaningful employment due to his own poor decisions in life.


Same with an ex-con. I understand people make mistakes. So did face-tattoo man. But that's life, and it's not legally protected because it was a choice.

 

And just where are these people supposed to live once release? In the local park? On the street?

 

With someone willing to take that risk not FORCED to.

 

And hypothetically if no one is willing to take the risk, then what?

 

There is always someone who see's a market for them to live. Just like tattoo faces.... just because they can't get a job in the buisiness world, or a bank, or a teacher, or in the military..... doesn't mean they can't get a job at McDonalds, at a tattoo shop, or a tattoo model.

Just because a criminal can't live at the country club, doesn't mean that the trailor park down the road won't rent to them. They cater to people who have made poor life decisions. Sorry that you are embarrassed by living there, but there are places that would love to take the money of criminals.

Sorry that your poor choices that noone else caused for you except yourself, makes later in life rough for you. That's called a consequence. Life is full of them.



I think there is opportunity to cater to those that can't live in other places. HOwever, if I have an apartment on my property (like I did two houses ago), I don't want criminals living right next door to me. I have a right to interview, and select, whomever I want to live there.

 

Tough (*)(*)(*)(*) dont be a felon.

 

thats all fine and dandy but it does not resolve the issue.

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No, it's not tough **** because the issue is still there. Deal with it.

 

Capitalism says there is ALWAYS someone willing to take that risk if profit is available. I don't mind taking the risk... just not when the rental is right next door to where I raise my children

 

If your reading comprehension is that bad then I can't help you. Racism appears no where in what you quoted. Ron Paul said the same about our drug laws, is he calling them racist?

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I think it says in the OP.