Obama asserts Executive Privilege over Fast & Furious, Part II

First thread reached over 500 posts in just one day. This is a continuation of the issue.

http://www.politicalforum.com/curre...ts-executive-privilege-over-fast-furious.html

 

As a continuation of the issue at hand, could this administration really handled this any more poorly? Here we sit mere months away from the general election, yet this issue persists. Any competent administration would have ended this a year ago, at most, yet here we are. Granted we get more history for the administration, but not quite the history this administration needs....

Any questions of how incompetent this administration has been are now finally answered, the very idea that a sitting AG is going to be brought up for Contempt of Congress is simply stupid, it has never happened for a reason, common freaking sense! Granted we have all known for years that liberal thought lacks common sense, but to put it up to Congress to prove seems like a bad strategy for liberals... The moron in chief let this get to a point in which Congress decides, there is no backing down now, what gives? I'm thinking by the time this stupid drama is played out we will finally learn why proper vetting is essential for presidential candidates, and the press will never get a free pass again... Well I can hope anyway

 

500 posts...Libs must be bending over every which way trying to defend this. Unfortunately, Libs tend to not be very physically appealing people, so forgive me if I don't peep into that thread.

 

An interesting article by Judge Nepalitano:

 

Agreed. Also, Obama ALMOST made it through his term without using Executive Privilege, but blew that chance on his closet boyfriend Holder. That's the only other reason that I can think of why he did it besides being directly involved in Fast & Furious.

 

I'm sure this is merely a ploy to actually demonstrate the new level of transparency in the White House, he's probably just waiting for Congress to submit the proper FOIA forms.

 

I'd hold the President on contempt charges if he continues to stall the release of these documents. This operation led to deaths of Americans and these antics of the Obama administration just show us the guilt of the administration. If they weren't guilty they would be willing to help weed out the troublemakers.

 

well the lengths this administrarion has went to in order to keep the information from the public certainly makes one wonder exactly how far up this plan did go and why Obama or one of his top aides would be involved in it

 

MSNBC is doing its best to ignore the story.

Morning Joe with the blond Polish airhead barely mentioned it today.

 

I'm listening to world class leftwad Thom Hartman's Wednesday show, and for the first half hour he hasn't mentioned 'executive privilege', Holder, Officer Terry or anything on point. Instead he's gone full Alinski and is attempting to set up the entire thing as a wild fantasy conspiracy (one that I HAVE heard including FEMA camps, FEMA camps, NAZIs, Armenian genocide and FEMA camps) to grab guns that only Fox drones buy into. He's in full ridicule mode and completely avoiding any of the substantive issues involved. More as the show progresses...

 

Now I know Obama and Pals are guilty.....

 

all I have seen is the left blaming Bush?? Bush has a different program !!

 

...continued

Thom takes calls, all but one similarly minded leftwads. The onl disagreeing caller gets almost two full, coherent sentences before Thom runs over the top, shutting him down. He fakes a conversation, a technique at which he is expert, and dumps him out.

Top of the hour.....New topic.

TAKEAWAY: F&F is a Bush program that Obama shut down. Got it? And *********s are nuts. And Fox is propaganda.

 

How did Ubama and or Holder shut it down when they didn't even know about it???

 

How can Obama claim "priveledge" over information he has REPEATEDLY DENIED ANY KNOWLEDGE OF?

 

They are hoping no one will actually LOOK INTO THE FACTS, per usual...

 

Wanna bet that these documents don't implicate Obama?

 

You know, the leftwads won't touch this anymore. So lets just look at some real basics about FF (Obama) and Gunwalker (Bsuh).

1) Gunwalker tracked the weapons. Fast and Furious did not.

2) Gunwalker worked with the Mexicans, to include providing them lists of all guns. FF didn't even bother to notify the Mexican government.

3) FF sent more than four times as many weapons. All untracked.

So what is the purpose, what could be the only "benefit", of just shoveling assault weapons into Mexico with zero accountability ? Of not even bothering to notify Mexico, or track them ?

Again, in their own words .......

 

Figure this one out folks. Its not hard. Is there a lib who will come here and explain what follows ?

This is Holder, with cover-up approval from Obama, having hatched a plan to apply support for gun control legislation.

At this point, both belong in jail. (*)(*)(*)(*)ing scumbags are not fit to be Americans.

 

Targeting of Mexican drug lords on sovereign Mexican soil. Yet this was done without the knowledge of anyone in the Mexican government???

Yep, this is what 82 said, it was done to disarm American citizens and strip them of their 2nd amendment rights.

 

Good point Grok. Obama has to have a full explanation of this EP, and I can't wait to hear the bull(*)(*)(*)(*) flowing from his mouth. I do hope the Romney campaign (which I am sure they are) is gearing up to show what a corrupt and inept president Obama really is. This is what America gets when they elect a community organizer.

 

Quite clearly, a secret and subversive operation had been conceived and implemented against our sister nation to the south -- subversive because, again, quite clearly, the American government was subverting the sovereign authority of Mexico without that nation's knowledge. If the goal was, as stated later by DoJ, to track guns into Mexico to the purchasing sources in the cartels, then was there not some diplomatic requirement to notify the Mexican government that we were arming their most violent criminal elements? And what was the need for keeping our own BATF agents in Mexico -- the only American agents with Mexican presence to conduct such surveillance and tracking operations on Mexican soil -- equally in the dark?
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/06/fast_and_furious_falling_apart.html

For those who haven't really followed the Fast and Furious scandal, here's a five-step summary of how the operation was supposed to work:
Allow guns to flow freely to criminal elements in Mexico, where they are naturally used in the extremely violent and deadly criminal activities of the drug cartels.
When sufficient guns of American origin have been used in such criminal activities, enlist the willing services of the liberal media to announce the discovery thereof to the world.
Enlist multiple prominent Democrats to untruthfully proclaim that 90% of the guns used in Mexican crimes originate in the U.S.
Use steps one through three to substantiate the liberal fallacy that private gun ownership leads to increased gun violence by gun owners.
With the compliance of a thoroughly duped American public, enact increasingly restrictive gun ownership policies through federal agencies, bypassing Congress and the Supreme Court.
When looked at this way, doesn't Obama's statement to a group of gun control advocates in March 2011 that he was taking steps to further gun control restrictions, but "under the radar," now seem less cryptic than it did at the time? For those who still don't believe Fast & Furious was an end-run on the 2nd Amendment by a liberal, gun-averse administration, here are five questions to consider:
Could the possibility that this plan was concocted at the very top of the administration, putting it on par with Watergate, explain Eric Holder's entrenched refusal to release the tens of thousands of documents being sought by congressional investigators?
Is the liberal media's refusal to investigate this scandal due to the fact that they suspect that the acts of this administration may rise to criminal and impeachable offenses?
Has the reluctance of the Republican leadership to more aggressively support the House investigation been attributable to the same possibility -- that full exposure could lead straight to the Oval Office and the politically unsavory possibility of impeachment of the nation's first black president?
Does anyone really think an ambitious politician like Holder would risk career-ending contempt of Congress charges to protect some incredibly stupid subordinates who supposedly, all by themselves, planned and implemented such a boondoggle?
In an administration known for its quickness in throwing friends and associates under the bus in matters of self-preservation, is it not remarkable that rather than being so dispatched by Holder, many of the key players in F&F have been promoted despite denials by their bureau?

 

I think it was also done to call Issa's bluff.That he'd blink and cave and call off the
Contempt vote.Also it technically shuts down any documents being released until
the Executive Priviledge is ruled on as far as exactly what Docs are Priviledged.
meaning it should take months to clear the D.C. District court if the House
passes next week the full vote on Contempt of Congress.

 

The next step will be:
obama-holder will send a few pages that have little or nothing to do with the investigation.
Then the'll cry to the lame stream media that they gave the committee everything that they asked for and they are still being attacked.
The race card will be thrown.
The "witch hunt" card will be thrown.
The media will use the term "witch hunt" excessively until it becomes the new meme.

Brian Terry wasn't turned into a newt due to obama-holder's incompetence. He was killed.

 

Going by legal precedent for executive privilege to apply it would have to involve either himself or one of Obama's top aides, such as was he case with Rove in 2007, who would have relayed such information to Obama. Even that is not absolute as was covered by 'United States vs Nixon" 1974. If the buck stopped with Holder then executive privileges cannot apply in a legal sense. Indirectly this action by Obama implicates either Obama or one of his top aides was directly involved with Fast and Furious.