Obama lied in the SOTU about energy independence.

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  1. Cdnpoli

    Cdnpoli Banned

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    He said the U.S is close to energy independence. What he didn't say was that his administration considers Canada to be domestic. So what we have in Canada is automatically theirs. But this is the reality. Obama just snubbed The Keystone Pipeline in his speech. So he is making Canada angry. Considering that and a few other contentious issues like this, http://rt.com/usa/farm-bill-meat-labels-309/

    We are more likely to retaliate.

    Then what will be of your independence on energy?

    Don't believe your liar of a President. But you already know that eh?
     
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    Your Russian friends are just jealous!
     
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    It was an example to show that Canada/USA relationship is being strained by poor decisions and a lack of respect to Canada.

    John Baird said last week we need a decision on Keystone, even if it is the wrong one.
    Obama said they won't be rushed. Rushed? It's been like 7 (*)(*)(*)(*)ing years. Make a decision.
    That is a major lack of respect from Obama.
     
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    So basically Obama didn't lie?
     
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    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...ources-could-provide-100-domestic-liquid-fuel

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    (CNSNews.com) – A new report commissioned by the American Petroleum Institute stated that the United States, in partnership with Canada, has the energy resources to make the country completely independent of outside sources for liquid fuel supplies by 2024. - See more at:

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...ources-could-provide-100-domestic-liquid-fuel
     
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Telling lies is no big deal for Obama.
     
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    Okay. I'm tired, I stayed up late listening to Obama speak, so you know I didn't use my time wisely. I want you to answer me, yes or no. A simple yes or no answer to whether or not Obama lied. You can explain after you tell me a yes or a no. So then let me ask you again. Did Obama lie?
     
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    Canada is a sovereign nation and the report quite clearly banks US energy independence on a partnership with Canada. He based todays comments off that report. So yes he lied. Canada is not a domestic territory. We are a country. Domestic independence means being dependent on your country, not another.
     
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    Taxcutter says:
    Hussein Obama is so evil or brainless as to believe that skyrocketing energy prices equals energy independence.
     
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    Wait til this months heating bills come out.
     
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    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    [​IMG]

    Add this as another lie. Yes, the climate does change, it always has since the beginning of time. While Obama tells us tonight.

    BARACK OBAMA:
    Over the past eight years, the United States has reduced our total carbon pollution more than any other nation on Earth. But we have to act with more urgency – because a changing climate is already harming western communities struggling with drought, and coastal cities dealing with floods. That’s why I directed my administration to work with states, utilities, and others to set new standards on the amount of carbon pollution our power plants are allowed to dump into the air. The shift to a cleaner energy economy won’t happen overnight, and it will require tough choices along the way. But the debate is settled. Climate change is a fact. And when our children’s children look us in the eye and ask if we did all we could to leave them a safer, more stable world, with new sources of energy, I want us to be able to say yes, we did.

    Source:
    http://weaselzippers.us/obama-climate-change-is-a-fact/
     
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    Retaliate? What? You guys going to attack us with a rowboat or something?

    And as far as Obama lying? Can you bring us something new and original?
     
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    He doesn't want the pipeline. It's simple. One of his biggest donors in Warren Buffet who owns the train company that is hauling the oil in from Canada. If he allows the pipe line than his donor will lose money. Can't have that happen can we.
     
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    So you really saying he doesn't lie? Really please tell me you know he is a liar. For real?
     
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    Then why lead Canada on? Why not say no?
     
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    Cause he doesn't want to be seen as saying no to jobs. Yet his base doesn't want the pipeline cause of environment. So he will just sit and let his donors make millions. Just like he passed favorable laws to help the unions not have to pay healthcare. He is doing the same for Warren Buffett. Most dems still don't know the tar sands oil is still coming into the states just through trains now. Of course warren made sure thanks to Obama it's on his trains. So much for Obama and his promise not lobbyist and favorable bills.
     
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    Your line of thinking is as flawed as your sources of information.

    Why would you take a Russian blog posting at face value?

    And why would you take ANYTHING written by the CrackpotNoiseSellers seriously?
     
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    Yah! Another conservative who has confused "lying" with "being wrong", but yet he wants us to take him seriously!
     
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    No, we are saying that 100% of the stuff you guys make up...................doesn't prove Obama was lying. But it does prove that you guys are just willing to make stuff up and then pretend to be confused on the difference between lying and being wrong.
     
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    Or Buffet could have seen this coming and placed all his ducks in a row well before Obama came into office.

    Since 2005, crude oil shipments by railways have risen by more than 400 percent. The increase is largely because of the boom in shale oil production in the U.S. and Canada. http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2014-01-27/dangers-shipping-crude-oil-rail-and-calls-new-safety-rules

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    Nope because 1 day of snow doesn't prove the climate is getting cooler.
     
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    I would advise the Canadians to retaliate by expanding the pipeline that crosses the Canadian Rockies into Vancouver and to build an export terminal there. Then, US enviro-wackos can watch Canadian syncrude transiting the Strait of Juan de Fuca on its way to China.
     
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    Taxcutter asks:
    Why not? One late season Category One hurricane is widely trumpeted by Warmists and the media as evidence of AGW.
     
  24. Shiva_TD

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    I truth virtually everyone is lying when it comes to issues of energy for the United States. For example the Keystone pipeline would merely allow the US to export more oil and then re-import it again to furnish our needs. We've seen a significant increase in US oil production with a significant increase in US oil exports because oil is really an international commodity and the oil traders make a ton of money on first exporting US oil and then make more money by re-importing it to the United States. I don't even know why Canada wants the Keystone pipeline because it could directly export the oil to international markets by piping it to the West Coast of Canada in British Columbia. It would make more money by eliminating the US from being the "middleman" in oil that goes to the international markets.

    Can the US be energy independent? Absolutely. We could do it tomorrow by stopping all importing and exporting of energy products like oil and natural gas. Sure, it would affect prices but that's all and we'd get by just fine because we produce an huge amount of energy in the US and our consumption of energy by source would change over time based upon cost. For example we can reduce our use of oil by increasing our use of natural gas where we have a "shortage" of one and a "surplus" of the other.
     
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    I agree because all the Keystone pipeline will really do is increase US exports of oil and it doesn't even create many US jobs long term (it's estimated to only require about 250 jobs to operate the pipeline once built).
     

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