Obama lied in the SOTU about energy independence.

Build the pipeline to Vancouver and sell it to China, that would slap Obama back harder than any words. A lot of americans would end up hating him for it.

I see you are getting a double whammy, we are thinking of sending Bieber back to you. Take that Canada

 

I answered your question. Like I give a crap if you don't agree.

 

Hey, not his fault if Big oil is screwing you, that is just ol fashioned capitalism in America. And you seem to be the one doing this brainless thinking from out of your butt!!! LMAO!!!

 

LMAO! Their people don't want that leaking lizard pipeline running across Canada!!! That is why they are begging these stupid cons.

 

Hmmm... Before Canadians get too arrogant about their sovereignty and other means of beating their chests, we may want to look at why they spend so very little on defense. Canada is the little boy, hiding behind daddy's big pants. I daresay that the meeting about Canadian crude sales to China has been held, and concluded.

 

NO what he is saying is that Obama lying is old news and most everybody with the brains God gave a rubber duck already knows it.

At this point claiming Obama is lying is sort of like saying there's water in the ocean. I didn't watch SOTU. I didn't ahve to. I knew we were in for an overly lengthy partisan rant mostly dealing in a rehash of leftist talking points and wet dreams with a little bit of paranoia thrown in for good measure.

 

WHAHHAHHAHA! You claim I insulted you because its your easy way out. This way you can pretend to be offended and pretend that's the reason you ran away. But we all know better because I didn't insult you, therefore you couldn't have been offended. Your running away is due to not being able to prove me wrong and the inability or manhood to admit it.

When you can prove that increases in CO2 doesn't lead or lag temperature variations let me know! I know you can't. Its the reason you ran away. You don't have to be honest and admit it when you run away. LOL

 

Im a die hard liberal too. Obama wants much of the same things I want. I just think he's smart enough to realize that politics is a game and you must play both sides for the best result.

Example: I think he wanted single payer, but realized it would never pass, so it was better to get SOME reforms instead of none at all.

 

Crude oil prices are set by international markets and not by individual nations. Any crude oil obtained at below international market rates is sold to the international market for a profit. That is why the lower costs of domestic oil from the US results in the export of that oil that is then imported again back into the US because the "oil dealers" can make a profit on both transactions. The "people" always pay the international cost for oil. Bloomberg recently addressed the myth of "cheap oil" and the article is worth reading. I'll just provide a small quotation from it.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-17/the-american-myth-of-cheap-oil-and-gas.html?cmpid=yhoo

In looking into this there are "pre-approved" vehicles that can be converted at no additional costs for government "fees" but that is a limited number.

Yes, the EPA is involved but that doesn't imply that the EPA shouldn't be involved. If anything I've found that the EPA isn't involved enough in many cases. What we need to do is addresses specific regulations and then determine if they are justifiable and warranted or not.

As for the cost I've found a wide price range when it comes to the conversion costs. Having a shop make the conversion for an existing vehicle, which would be more than having it done by the original manufacturer, can run about $8,000 while a person that happens to be a mechanic can do the conversion for about $1000 in parts (using their "free" labor to do the work). The payoff is that CNG costs about 1/4th the cost of gasoline so the investment is recouped in a relatively short period of time.

 

Has anyone actually proved that Obama lied in the SOU as claimed in the OP?

 

Even when Obama deliberately lied for three straight years to the public about ObamaCare "If you like your current Health Care Plan/Physician you can keep them, period," most of the Obama supporters on this forums system REFUSED to accept that he did in fact lie, and so it's rather doubtful that they are emotionally capable of accepting that Barack Obama ever lies about anything.

So it's sort of like what Hillary Clinton said about some other event that Left of Center posters considered of no importance whatsoever, "What difference does it make now?"

 

Thanks for sharing your rant, but my question was regarding the topic and of the thread and claim in the OP. Which I noticed you haven't proved either.

Seems like just another bull(*)(*)(*)(*) RW fabrication, doesn't it?

 

I don't really feel like having to repeat myself. How many times have I had to ask this question? What 3 times now? You're not stupid, you can answer a question yes or no and then respond. So how about it, let's try it again. Did Obama lie?

 

Almost all US oil being exported is going to points west from Alaska (For those of geographically handicapped points west from Alaska is the far East). The more oil that enters the market place regardless of what point it enters the market place the lower crude prices will be every where. So even if what you were saying is true it would still benefit us. 2nd most US refining capacity is located in the Gulf coast. Keystone is going to the place US refineries are located.