Obama: Most people can get Obamacare for $50 to $100 a month

And you mean per capita or overall?

 

Insurance was high before Obamacare, and that with deductibles and nightmares where getting coverage for pre-existing conditions and actually finding clinics that were covered by your insurer were concerned. Damned insurance companies have always loved worming out of footing the bill when the time comes.

 

The United States spends more than twice as much per capita on health care as Danes (or anyone else does).

And we don't cover everyone, and subject most of the rest to a cruel regieme of co pays deductible and arcane restrictions and barriers that exist solely for the purpose of enriching insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies and hospitals.

No one on the rest of the industrialized world puts up with this crap, nor have they been willing to pay the exhorbitant prices Americans pay to get less.

Name ONE country that ever went back to private health insurance. Just one.

 

It should also be noted that the health care industry in the US is not accustomed to managing its costs. Managers in every area of American health care are always looking for ways to charge more, not to cost less. This is an ingrown feature of an institutionally corrupt system.

The fastest growing area of bad debt in the US today is small medical bills that are now proliferating because doctors are trying to charge their patients for services that the ACA doesn't cover. The coding game may inflate booked revenue, but it's also inflating the bad recievables numbers as well.

 

TOTALLY different lifestyles than that of the US. Most people in Denmark live in micro environments and very frugal lifestyles versus that of the US. Asking the US citizenry to change to a totally unique lifestyle would not bode well as we are a consumer nation with a higher disposable income.

 

Thanks to their lobbying, our elected officials, and we ourselves, are too busy infighting to deal with the real culprits. It's disgusting.

 

And? Did I say I was in favor of such a thing? Why bring up right wing ideology to me when I am not a right winger?

Sorry, I mixed up diet with fatal injuries.
"Another point worth making is that people die for other reasons than health. For example, people die because of car accidents and violent crime. A few years back, Robert Ohsfeldt of Texas A&M and John Schneider of the University of Iowa asked the obvious question: what happens if you remove deaths from fatal injuries from the life expectancy tables? Among the 29 members of the OECD, the U.S. vaults from 19th place to…you guessed it…first. Japan, on the same adjustment, drops from first to ninth."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapo...-americans-poor-life-expectancy/#5408fb662b98

Also had a spike in suicides.

Its one thing to tell Bloomberg not to dictate what people do to their bodies, ie let them smoke weed, shoot heroin, or drink 20 oz of soda. And its another to say we are fattest country on earth in history and that's the cause of why heart failure is one of the leading causes of death.

 

Per capita. In 2016 we spent about $9,900 per capita on healthcare. About $4,700 was public spending and $5,100 is private. Australia is somewhere in the middle when it comes to overall healthcare costs in developed nations, but they have a more private system, and they have a high GDP per capita. They spend about $4,700 per capita overall, with $3,300 in public tax-funded spending and about $1,400 in private per capita spending.

 

How many people are in your family and how healthy are they? Obama didn't say that $50-100 would cover an entire family. Moreover, if you or your family are less healthy than most people, that would explain why you're paying more.

 

I'd strongly recommend getting some sort of coverage. This time last year I was in a semi-catatonic state in an ICU. I went in in October and didn't get out until February. The bill was in excess of $1,000,000. My out of pocket was $200. Granted, I have hospital employee insurance which is probably better than most people can get, but unless you can afford something like that, cover your ass. You never know when it's gonna creep up out of the blue like it did to me.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapo...-americans-poor-life-expectancy/#5408fb662b98

Ben Shapiro also covers the ideology of universal health care quite well. And this isn't his only time he cover the issue.

 

lucky...
-i eat healthy, avoiding sugar and preservatives while getting variety of nutrition
-dont drink soda
-eat probiotic foods
-avoid fast food
-avoid GMO
-frequently walk instead of drive
-use a stand-up desk to avoid prolongued sitting
-avoid OTC meds
-maintain proper hygene
-avoid synthetic products both internal and external
-filter my water
-frequently research good health practice

Health isn't 'luck'.

 

If you look at US healthcare quality compared to other countries and healthcare outcomes, we do better than them in some areas, and worse in others.
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org...untries-quicker-access-doctor-nurse-need-care

If you look at the quality of our healthcare system, we are somewhere in the middle, but we just pay a lot more.

https://physiciansnews.com/2010/06/23/u-s-ranks-last-in-international-health-care-report/

 

Ah. I guess you mistakenly believe that cancer and broken bones follow the rules.

 

We also live longer baring fatal injuries that doctors can't prevent. We also have the best survival rates for cancer, and 5 year survival rates after cancer. I will keep my facts while your "report" is based off opinions.

 

Believe what you want...

 

Yes, but you are cherry picking places that the US is better. We have a higher healthcare amendable death rate, higher potential years of life lost, higher disease burden, more hospitals admissions for preventable diseases, higher rate of healthcare errors, etc. I could go on. Overall, we have better quality than most developed countries, but we are close to the middle. We do better in a lot of metrics, not so good in others.
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org...schemic-stroke-lower-u-s-comparable-countries

 

That was not my experience. And no one is asking anyone to change their lifestyle. That's a pretty parochial sentiment.

One thing that I noticed right away in Copenhagen was the cars. When you're in France, Italy or many other EU countries, you see a fair number of especially small cars (Ford Ka, Fiat 500 or smaller, etc). In Copenhagen (and out in the country as well) you tend to see 5 and 7 series BMW's , S and E Class Mercedes, and big Volvos.

Indeed, it's not uncommon to see a big American lead sled from the 60's riding down the road in Sweden. I saw several every day.

 

I suspect he's making most of it up too!

 

And socialism works!



We're just not trying hard enough...

 

Obama never could stop lying, or the fact that his legacy is one of fail.

 

Really? Using Japan as an example is "cherry picking"? https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapo...-americans-poor-life-expectancy/#5408fb662b98

 

What happened to the inexpensive, great healthcare that Trump promised you. Obama isn't the POTUS anymore.

 

Those numbers are fabricated! If you can get that through Obamacare, then everyone can get that so why aren't they? I pay $4,000 a year in premiums and my deductible and max are both $7,500.

And if you make another claim that those numbers are fact, you simply have to prove it as even the best corporate Cadillac health care doesn't come close to that.

 

The same imaginary folks that were going to save $2500 a year when Obama first rammed PPACA down their (our) throat.