Obamacare A Big Lie From The Start...

I want to see that source and site because ACA enrollment was shut off two months ago......when only 9 million had signed up. oops, ma bad 7 million as of April 30, ONE month after shutdown (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/04/01/obama-aca-7-million-enrolled/7162291/) Are you saying that Obama tampered with the law AGAIN?

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Try doing the math with the real numbers......
The US health insurance system was in a selectivity death spiral, each year more uninsured, driving up rates, causing more people to drop insurance.
Employers dropping health plans, paying a smaller share, deductibles rising, this had been going on for decades, the system was unsustainable.
And self insured companies discriminating against older employees, women and those with chronic illnesses, and those with family members with chronic illnesses, all driven by real monetary incentives produced by the system.

Since ObamaCare was enacted we have seen the rate of cost increase fall to the lowest it's been since it's been tracked.
The trend to an increasing number of uncovered Americans has been reversed, fewer Americans without insurance.
The right demographic mix has signed up to keep the increases small.

And I don't have a subsidized health plan, I have a gold plated Cadillac health plan, which I pay for, (actually my employer pays for most of it, but that's just part of my compensation), I don't benefit directly from ACA, but my country benefits, and that's good enough for me...

 

all of those numbers have come straight from the tiny dictators mouth, and you know it.
so why are there still 30 million without insurance after the gates closed on March 31?

 

So what are you suggesting?
Tax based single payer for all?

 

There would be many more people on ACA if the obstructionist Republican hadn't lied about it as the Koch brothers do today:



one of their most recent ads claims that premiums in New Hampshire are up 90 percent. Granted, a “shocking” stat indeed – if it were actually true. When Politifact dug a little more into where they came up with this claim, they quickly rated this ad as “False.”





http://www.forwardprogressives.com/...-another-ad-bashing-aca/#sthash.tl4ffirq.dpuf



ACA truth = lives and money saved every day = Thank you Mr Obama!

 

No. I don't think the government should set itself up as an insurance company because it has such a pitiful success rate. Every agency that is attached to the Fed has NEVER operated in the black. With such a track record, it is hard to believe that this one is going to be run even better.
I run my finances better than Obama's bunch.
PAY FOR YOUR OWN!!!!

 

So, based on slogans, going back to an unsustainable system that was in a death spiral is your plan?
In the real world, government run health care gives better results for the money....at least in the countries that have it, which includes the US....

 

how many people have died due to lack of insurance? another really "smart" person claimed it was 45,000. Let's look at that number.
How many would have died if they had insurance?
Ho many didn't have insurance because they just plain o' didn't buy it?
How many illegals were mopped into that number?
How many were heavy drug users?
How many of that number were gang-related crimes where the yoots had no insurance because they were living on the streets?
See, those questions are relevant because these are normally people who don't have insurance. They have no address, or job, or any other means other than crime to eke out sustenance. You can count those numbers, but how many are relevant? How many gang members are now currently insured thank to Maobama?
And yet, any accurate numbers "real numbers" are not really being presented....
I know you have no idea, because those in charge are not releasing those numbers.
Why are they not releasing the numbers?

 

All that information is available, apparently you are completely ignorant of the state of the American Health Care system, which explains your opposition to ObamaCare....

 

one more insult, and I'll report you.
I am more familiar with the state of healthcare than you might think. I have always paid for my own.
I know one thing for sure, you didn't answer my questions as you may be more ignorant than I about the state of affairs.
so since this thing was a total cluster (*)(*)(*)(*) when it rolled out, starting at 1.7 trillion dollars in the hole, how is this any better than what we already have? There are still over 30 million without healthcare. So, it didn't change a thing, except to put us deeper in debt. National collapse will eliminate all healthcare for the moochers, anyway......
oh, and btw, Mass. is getting rid of their so-called national healthcare exchanges because it is so screwed up.......http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/205235-mass-discarding-broken-o-care-exchange-site
they keep getting this screwed up, and my paying for your [sic] health care will be a moot point

 

Uninsured Rate Drops To New Low As Obamacare Sign-Ups Surge


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/05/uninsured-rate-obamacare_n_5266775.html



The percentage of Americans without health insurance is at its lowest since Gallup started tracking such data in 2008.

According to Gallup's most recent data, 13.4 percent of Americans lacked health insurance in April. That's down from 15 percent in March and 18 percent in the third quarter of 2013.

Gallup's latest data is also proof that Obamacare is working to insure the people who need health coverage most.






ACA = saving money and lives every day!

Thank you President Obama!

 

This is an outright lie. Sign ups quit on March 31. Cut off until the end of the year

 

Not really, applications that were incomplete or people who were unable to sign up by March 31 were given another two weeks to finish their applications, with some states extending that another two weeks so the actual cut off was somewhere between April 15 and April 30. The rush to sign up at the end of March overloaded the process so many last minute sign ups were not booked until April. Also, it is quite unlikely that Gallup did all their polling on March 31.

 

You are wrong about almost everything....
For example the 1.7 trillion in the hole? Are you making that up, or are you just thoroughly confused?
Yes, there still are 30 million without health care coverage, a lot less than before, and a lot of that is due to Republicans blocking coverage in their states.

And Massachusetts isn't get rid of it's exchange, it's getting new software for it.

 

where's your source?
here's mine: http://www.heritage.org/research/re...t-on-todays-and-tomorrows-taxpayers-an-update

 

Your source doesn't back up what you said....

 

then, until you post legitimate numbers, you have no footing. I do not do your research for you...............

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you could not have it. It takes more than 2 minute to red that article.......here's one that is simpler to understand....

http://obamacarefacts.com/costof-obamacare.php
and this is from your side of the aisle..............

 

You said ObamaCare started out 1.7 trillion in the hole.
Heritage, a conservative noise machine that produces Republican propaganda, "projects" a 1.7 trillion dollar cost by 2023.....
That's not "starting off 1.7 trillion in the hole".

 

right wing "sources" never do

 

so, we're in agreement that it was never intended to succeed, thanks All Hussein did was add even more debt. with a debt load like that, we'll soon outspend domestic products and over-come military spending. BTW, what was, in your opinion, the actual start up cost? 0?
I'd almost bet you'll come back something that resembles "It was all worth it"

 

Insurance Execs Embarrass Republicans During Hearing by Debunking Key Anti-ACA Talking Point




The Republican propaganda against the Affordable Care Act is seemingly endless. It’s like I’ve said before, I’ve forgotten more of it than I can even remember. Be it the ridiculous “death panels” or the lie that it’s a government takeover of the health care system, Republicans have continually spouted off lie after lie when it comes to “Obamacare.”
One of their biggest talking points against the law has been that “premiums are going to skyrocket!” A claim I often laugh at considering health care costs were already skyrocketing before, but now Republicans simply blame any increase on “the evil Obamacare.”
They also tend to ignore that for many Americans, health care costs have gone down. And they completely ignore the millions of Americans who’ve gained access to health care, many for the very first time, thanks to Medicaid expansion.



http://www.forwardprogressives.com/...obamacare-talking-point/#sthash.06WlVPin.dpuf




As always, the patriotic TRUTH is that Obamacare is working, contrary to the endless lies of the delusional far right and its paid trolls.

 

ahhhh from the progressive cites. They are like so reliable. Of course it would work for them. They get paid in TAX dollars for their loss.
there is no truth in that. Again, where's the demographics for the 45,0000 that you claimed the Conservative murdered?
now you are reduced to name calling. That spells the end for you.
BTW, you are the ONLY one tripping through the koolaid wrappers banging this hollow drum trying to protect the free handouts.
This ain't 21. You break this bank, and you won't have any insurance at all.
You have no idea what you are getting yourself into, that's for sure and for certain.

 

Complete BS number. Millions have not even paid their premiums. Millions were insured before.

 

Billions of dollars and thousands of lives saved thanks to ACA.



But more reform is needed:


http://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/05/10-1


At my local Kaiser facility today, the pharmacy was bursting at the seams with patients and others waiting for pharmacy services. Children with runny noses clinging to their mothers' legs were fussing, and others were being checked in by a Kaiser employee trying to help manage traffic flow.



When I got up to the counter to pick up my prescriptions, I asked the pharmacy tech about the increased number of people now part of the Kaiser system here in Colorado. I heard weeks ago that more than 40 percent of those who signed up through the Colorado exchange had opted for a Kaiser plan, as I did.



Prior to that she and many of those there had nothing. God knows how many of these people are now being saved thanks to reform. And, as the writer says, single payer would solve the problems faced by those who need further help.


''When profits drive the system rather than patients and true health care, we end up with a mess of a delivery system that leaves out millions of people in need of care and cares for millions who may or may not need the intense levels of expensive care given.''


Good health is the prime motivator being health care reform in Europe, Japan, and Israel - such a system can work here just as well as it does in those places. It is great that we have had reform - now let's have more so that more lives can be saved.

 

ahhh, more crap from a socialist progressive web site.....where's the demographics for the 45, 000 butchered Americans? And who butchered them? Have they been arrested yet?