Obamacare ruled Unconstitutional

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  1. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    No, it does not have to wait for the SCOTUS!

    The Dems can decide to enact Medicare for All because they do not need "permission" to pass that kind of legislative change to existing constitutional programs.
     
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    Medicare Part A is already FULLY FUNDED by payroll taxes AND premiums. Expanding it will only require modest adjustments to both.
     
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    I agree it would have to be paid for by taxes. But the tax would basically be what you or your employer currently spends on health insurance. Preferably less.
     
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    Wrong!

    The Dems do NOT run Congress because the GOP still controls the Senate.
     
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    Nope!

    There is still a NORMAL profit margin left. You just eliminate the EXTORTION level profits.
     
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    Roberts is beholden to the Wall Street Casino Bosses so yes, he will uphold Obamacare because those Bosses prefer Obamacare to the alternative Medicaid for All option.
     
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    Puerile ad hom PF Rule Violation ignored for DEROGATORY reasons.

    Doctors and Pharmaceutical corporations all manage to cope WITHOUT that greed obsession in the rest of the civilized nations of the world.

    Why are you denigrating your fellow American citizens by claiming that they are incapable of achieving affordable healthcare for everyone?
     
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    Asinine strawman ignored for obvious reasons.
     
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    When Donald Trump bellows that he has a brilliant plan, we are in no doubt that he has no plan at all and no idea what he's talking about.

    And sicne the GOP yelled "repeal and replace" for seven years and never once offered a plan to replace, you can bet the McConnell doesn't have a plan either.

    And the "most brilliant" plan, is the one most people support. "Medicare for all".

    And the GOP, which has consistently opposed any sort of health care financing reform for decades,will find themselves on the wrong side of that argument.

    They will make dire predictions and cite extreme examples, as they always do. And they will fear monger, which is their default strategy for keeping flyover voters in line with the Wall Street agenda.

    But the world did not end for most people when the ACA was passed, and most people realized that they were better off and more secure.

    So they will be far less receptive to the same old scare tactics when "Medicare for all" comes up.
     
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    I would not say that the "greed obsession" isn't there.

    After all, doctors are still paid very well in countries with single payer national health insurance. Only, they don't have to carry the heavy administrative staff that American doctors have to in order to cope with the complex maze of private insurance, and many prominent pharmaceutical companies are European. So they must have figured it out, too.
     
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    Bye-bye, O-care!
     
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    Ok, well, I am sick and an American, family has been here 400 years. Now, take care of me.... Or, do I just get kicked to the side line and all those Immigrants the republicans let in From 1980 - 2008 continue to get free healthcare and I don't ? What are the Republicans gonna do ? Obviously everything they had for that 28 years led to today ? Poor wages, millions of immigrants, stagnate wage growth with 5% YoY inflation. Now what twist will they throw at us and call it a FIX ?
     
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    if he has a brilliant plan he needs to announce it to the country, tell Congress what he wants, yep, it will fall on Trump and Republicans if this goes south
     
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    Right now FOX news is talking about something really really important... Taxing on Texting... What other diversions will they come up with this weekend. At least they finally told the truth yesterday and admitted Trump is in Trouble... Major breakthrough !
     
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    if Republican judges kills the Affordable Care act, you can bet the people blame Republicans - Common Sense
     
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    Not me. I want free market health care—it’ll be cheaper, better, and moral. The exact opposite of government health care—which is unbelievably expensive, assembly-line garbage, slow, cumbersome, incomprehensible, and institutes medical slavery and death panels. It just frigging sucks.
     
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    Where is this great, affordable healthcare that Pres. Trump promised.
     
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    Many parts of the healthcare act sucked. Of course the GOP would as they always do, grab the worst and call it the norm... "Everyone has to pay thousands a year for healthcare" because Jimmy john Buford in Alabama, and timmy tom toogood in Mississippi both have had their healthcare premium quadruple.
    What should be important is that we all get what we need. That isn't what those Rich SOB's in the healthcare and Insurance want. They went through all the steps to take their part of the money with Obamacare, and now have those VAST and LARGE increases in place. That is where the additional costs came from, the providers, Doctors who are now millionaires, they own the imagining centers, the nursing homes, the home healthcare units, etc. Maybe 500 groups of Zionist BRILLIANT business men who are consolidating the system and taking all the money. Along with Biotech, 3rd party benefit managers and everyone but the patient has their hand out.
    This is where the Trumptard gets lost in their radical hatred and cant think past (Obama made a mess of it, shut it down). That all comes from a few hundred people that control the healthcare in this country and want the money. They use the republican party to advance their agenda and the DOPE southerners to support it thru online postings, and bumper stickers, along their church lines and friends, it works out to "fight the black guy"
     
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    The Social Democracies have achieved a level of regulatory control over the greed obsessed to the point where it is no longer a major factor in their healthcare sectors.
     
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    well if that is TRUE then Americans will love Republicans when the price goes down and all is roses without ObamaCare

    course if that is NOT what happens and costs go up... republicans also get the credit there
     
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    That is so far off base, untrue, not even close to reality it doesn't deserve a response. It shows where you lie, make your money.
    Maybe so in 1990, but has been more unregulated ever since YoY removed. The Insurance companies, biotech, greed, runs on VERY HARD.
    It is the BIGGEST FACTOR of all. Nice try with "it is regulated" Not even CLOSE
     
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    We already tried "free market healthcare" and it was, and still is, an abysmal FAILURE.

    Explain why a family is FORCED to go into bankruptcy because they have a sick child?

    Why must corporate PROFITS be more important than the health of your fellow Americans?
     
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    Ranting screed ignored because it made no sense whatsoever.
     
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    They have regulatory control over new drugs, and the healthcare, they have zero control over costs.
    Just take a LOOK at KITE pharma and its creator Arie Bellegrun, from Israel. Came here, worked at Heart Institute, copied a drug, created biotoech, used Jewish friends to fund startup, take IPO, sell off at high costs to 401K. Drive value down, remove shares from 401K AT A LOSS to the working class guy. Zionists load up on shares, take drug to phase II trial, complete good, sell corp to Celgene @ 12 Billion. Arie walks away with a cool 1B in 8 years using our system, our hospitals, our cancer centers. The Drug was not even being sold yet (zero revenue). He and his friends walked away with huge money. When the drug finally hit the market last year, costs 325K per person to treat. SO, a guy from another country becomes a billionaire, helps his friends make millions and that is regulated for the benefit of Americans by Americans ?
    Again, read, look up the truth, please don't just drop in blanket statements of how you feel as (FACT). They are wrong. Our healthcare system is highly manipulated by many people becoming Billionaires on the backs of the working class. They also spend millions to propaganda to guys or people like you that (It isnt their fault costs are high, it is everyone, everything else that is the problem. Obviously when there is over 70K Healthcare Lobbyists in this country, many are paid to post and protect their livelyhood with LIES!
    Over 550 MILLION Spent per year on Lobbying in 2017! "Drain the swamp ?" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobbying_in_the_United_States

    There are 11,500 lobbyists registered. For every ONE there is another 10 that support them in some fashion. Thus, 120K working in the business that have no direct effect on healthcare. It is a pathetic JOKE on the American People, as is all of Washington, both sides, Nancy Pelosi is a millionaire too and takes money. This isnt a TRUMP rant, but our Political system is now trash and THEY have people bickering about things like this while our country falls apart. What they did in 2008 (kick the can, bailout is the downfall) no one wants to place the REAL FIX on their watch. FDR did it, then got elected 3 more times because he was HONEST and took back the money the filthy rich stole from the working class.
     
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    When is this great Trump Care coming, you know that healthcare that he promised would be inexpensive and great for every American. All we hear about is a wall, where is the healthcare.
     

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