Ohio health official estimates 100,000 Ohioans already carrying coronavirus

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  1. LogNDog

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    I agree. I did some reading on the testing yesterday and it seems that they are still trying to make a test that is accurate. There have been some major problems as far as getting an accurate result. Some people think that we have something sitting on the shelf that was built for this virus that we had never seen before.
     
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    And now it is up by 460. With about 4.5 hours left in the trading day. So just be careful crowing about the stock market gains while we are still in a bear market, one that has come on about 20x faster than the financial crisis of 2008.

    No one wants the economy to crash, so stop that strawman and be a better American.
     
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    She just pulled some number out of the air that makes her position seem much more important. She has no basis on which to make the estimate.
     
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    Yes, even though no one in my family is infected (as far as I know). And my company literally just implemented a two week work from home policy.

    I also spent the last two weeks ensuring that my family could remain isolated for 2-3 weeks without relying upon deliveries or trips to the grocery store or pharmacy.

    Please do the same.
     
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    Her basis is the fact that there are two cases of community spread in her State. These are cases of unknown origin and where it is not possible to trace the infection to a known source.

    Her estimate is based on her expertise and it is backed up by her Republican Governor.
     
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    Sound advice but just like Jussie i do not believe you.
     
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    Did she show the math behind 2 cases = 100,000 people?
     
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    They have no clue how many people have it and we know it.
     
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    She has two cases that she doesn't know where they came from and that extrapolates to 100,000 cases of virus? Really?

    Spain has 3,800 cases. Italy has 15,113 cases. Globally the WHO shows 125,288. That is in the whole world. Ohio has more than 100,000? And you actually believe that? I have a great real estate deal for you.
     
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    The numbers you are citing are confirmed cases, not estimates of how many peoples in various countries actually have the virus. The confirmed cases are mostly those who are ill and have been tested and are receiving treatment. People who carry the virus are a much larger number of people, with some of them accounting for the numbers which are then increasing daily in most of the countries you mentioned and other new ones catching the virus, often from carriers who aren't sick enough to be in treatment.
     
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    So?
     
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    Hmm Cuomo is opening up drive thru tests, seems like test kits aren't an issue.
     
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    I get the feeling some people just want this to be really bad that they purposely ignore logic and gravitate to whatever statistic that has the highest probability of death..

    Gotta wonder how bad their lives must be to root for negativity and denounce the positive..
     
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    Could be but you have no clue how many that is so let's stick with the actual FACTS instead of guesses.
     
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    I am not claiming we know the actual numbers of people who are carrying the virus, but I would not confine that figure to the "facts" you mentioned either. It is a fact that a much smaller number of the universe of people infected have been ill and tested positive for the virus. That is a fact, not a guess, because within a few days or weeks, many of those people (previously untested and asymptomatic) end up eventually being ill, get tested, and account for the exponential rise of cases in all countries which have shown 'community spread' for the virus.
     
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    Exactly why it's best to stick with confirmed cases. As we have found out in S. Korea, their test are flawed and showed a lot of false positives. If your sick stay home just like you would with any flu, if it your breathing becomes labored go to the hospital. We know most symptoms are not that bad so do your civic duty stop worrying about a test and self quarantine.
     
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    If they tested positive they are in the number....I'm not doubting it will grow with more getting tested my point is simple, don't throw bs numbers around because noone knows. What we know if you are sick stay home, if breathing becomes labored go to the hospital. It's really that simple but trying to say 134k is really 1 million is a waste of paranoia.
     
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    If Ohio has 100000 cases it means I'm really not worried, cause evidently the virus is less deadly than we thought.
     
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    If 100000 people in Ohio have it, then it is not more lethal than the flu.
     
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    If you contract the virus today, you will likely become symptomatic in a few days or a week (or even 2 weeks). You still have the virus, but aren't either tested or ill. By the time you are tested, the numbers show how many people had contracted the virus last week, not how many are carrying it today. For public health officials who want to understand the scale of the virus, and how fast it might be spreading, the estimates they will use isn't from people who are confirmed and tested positive (most would be quarantined by then and won't be spreading the virus) but based on how many can be extrapolated to have the virus if a certain number are testing positive today.
     
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    No. If 100,000 people in Ohio are estimated to have the virus, you can expect between 10,000-20,000 cases of people showing more or less serious illness in Ohio in a week. People who will then be tested and show a positive result. (If not, i.e. if a significantly lower number end up being ill by next week in Ohio, then the estimate can then be shown to have been wrong). Of this number, you can expect around 100-300 fatalities next week in Ohio, although the mortality rate from the virus is still largely speculative. In the meantime, the original 100,000 with the virus will have spread the virus to more people and in time the numbers will rise.
     
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    Same way with any flu or virus, that's our DNA every person in the world can't be tested it's not reasonable. How many times you need to test every 5 days? That's why this test talk is stupid, if your really worried about it self quarantine today for a month or so because just because your negative today doesn't mean you will be next week.
     
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    If you test positive today, you have the virus today even if you aren't symptomatic still. There is a lag time between catching the virus and becoming symptomatic. Once you start showing symptoms, you can spread the virus faster but you can also get tested and if the test is positive, be quarantined to prevent the virus from spreading. But if you aren't tested and don't 'self-quarantine' either, the danger isn't so much to yourself, but to those who you will be infecting.
     
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    That's human dna there is nothing you can do about that. The only way to do what you want is literally to test every day after interaction, no chance that can happen so we have to deal with reality not fantasy.
     
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    Look, radical Democrats hated Trump long before the virus popped up out of nowhere. They hate him now. They will go on hating him long after this virus has ceased to be a matter of any elevated concern. And, they'll hate the very memory of him, long after his presidency is over (whenever that may be). And, in fairness, and to be balanced in perspective, that's how a lot of us Conservatives felt about Obama, too!

    The vitally important thing right now is for both Left and Right in the United States to at least WORK together to fight this virus! We will go on disputing nearly every single thing imaginable, but for the time being, even if we despise each other, we must WORK together now....

    We can go back to raising hell about who "the worst president in history" was AFTER we deal with this virus! :handshake:
     
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