OK Atheists.......prove god doesn't exist

I understand and appreciate where you are coming from, DRI...and I thank you for your response.

The notion of gods...in the sense of the things humans throughout the years have worshiped mostly out of fear of the unknown...is a huge turnoff to many humans of today. We do want to disassociate ourselves from the superstitions that ruled our past.

Unfortunately, the need of some humans to make guesses about the true nature of the REALITY of existence compels them to go (in my opinion) too far in the opposite direction...guessing that we understand the REALITY.

We may not. Spinoza has his ideas; Einstein his; you yours; and me mine.

The bard put what I am attempting to say in better words than I can craft when he had Hamlet say, "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

That's sorta where I am coming from in my comment.

 

Thank you for sharing that blind guess about the likelihood of gods existing, CJ.

Thank you for sharing that blind guess about the probability also.

If you want to discuss bunnies...do it with a toddler or an atheist. Both groups seem absorbed by that kind of content.

 

It seems that way.

There are many branches of science that seem to point to the fact that a worldwide flood is not possible.

You gotta be careful with that. Actually, the Bible does not claim to be without error. It does claim, after a sort, that the passages that read, "Thus says the Lord"...are the word of God.

Logic does not dictate that...it is simply something you want to be so, Ecco.

The Bible could have errors...and still have lots of true stuff in it. The idea that the entire Bible must be a collection of folklore and myth does not derive from the "logic" you used here.

My personal opinion is that the best guess that can be made about the Bible is that it is a self-serving history of the early Hebrew people interspersed with a fanciful religious mythology. My opinion is that the best guess that can be made about the religious aspects of the Bible is that the people writing the material—the people inventing the god—put their prejudices into the mouth of the god they invented.

 

I guess it would be the one that you choose now wouldn't it? It could be your computer for all I know. Actually there is only One God. My faith tells me I know Him.
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

 

"put their prejudices into the mouth of the god they invented" So I guess some explaining is in order on your part. Over the thousands of years this Book (I call the owners manual) was put together. So how do the many authors, over this period of time, "invent" something that is so consistent, as well as prophetic? Now I understand there are many that look at it from a strictly intellectual viewpoint, that want to diminish what I just said. They deny this from the moment they begin to look at it.
There are others, however, that look at it in a humble, contrite, frame of reference. They see how it all ties in and messages are revealed that are "unending". They are just as true as the sun will come up in the morning. This Spirit is revealed by a God that created all things. It is done in such a way as to "confound" those that are wise in their own eyes. It is revealed to those that earnestly search for a knowledge that will never perish and it is held for eternity. It is a unifying message that exemplifies "life", not death. Remember, it is appointed we all die. What then?

 

I saw the many question marks so I am sure you wanted me to answer something. But I am not sure of what you are asking.

Most of what you said is lipstick, in my opinion, but if you have specific questions about what I said...without the editorializing...I will be happy to answer them.

 

There is a life that extends beyond death. It is rooted in "love". There is a death now in this world. It is a "spiritual death". We CAN escape it's grasp when we look to the provision God has made for eternity, It is His Love that let's us decide whether we will.
In my previous post there were three question marks. You were invited to answer. Instead, I guess you editorialize about the "lipstick" and such. I will wait for your "lipstick".

 

I gotta ask...which god? Atlas? Allah?

 

Thank you for sharing your blind guess that there is a life that extends beyond death.

Thank you for sharing your blind guess that "it is rooted in love"...whatever that means.

Okay, finally a point of agreement. There is death now in this world.

Leave a person who is spiritually dead out in the sun...he/she will start to stink. It appears as though there is a good deal more to death than the death of spirit.

More lipstick.

May I assume you have no questions for me?

 

Where is your evidence that this "nothing" ever existed?

 

--and the majority of scientists say God exists. We can't say one statement is true unless we say both are; likewise for trying ot say only one statement is silly.

We can agree that folks have been saying that they're AGW scientists for only a few decades and I can show that many are either paid nicely w/ $ and/or fame for doing so or they're under serious threats if they don't. We can say the same for folks who for centuries have been saying they can scientifically prove God w/ science. .

Being able to provide evidence is easy:

• Respected Scientist Says He Found Proof God Exists
• Scientists accidentally discovered MORE proof for God's existence when they ran this experiment
• Can Science Prove The Existence Of God?
• Cause and Effect—Scientific Proof that God Exists
• Scientists use mathematical calculations to PROVE the existence of God

--and that's what providers of evidence always say, and it's what unbelievers always say it's not.

It boils down to what you and I are willing to accept. I say valid evidence is what I can reproduce my self on my own. Like, I can measure the speed of light at 300M meters/sec in my kitchen and I can prove F = Gm1m2/r² in a room w/ a high ceiling --most probably to your satisfaction. For me an acceptable proof that we got an unprecedented warming trend would be simply seeing it in a list of raw proxy temps from say, NOAA going back a few 100K years. (link w/ sample in prev. post) Pse let me know if you can show this proof for that phenomenon.

Before I can offer proof of God we'd have to first agree on what God is and what would prove it.

 

There are a lot of highly paid impressive guys w/ white lab coats that say "just give me that first miracle and I can prove the rest w/o God".

Fat chance.

 

--and hopefully it will.

 

Everything we know about (aside from God) has a Genesis.

 

Your answers were all what you call lipstick. You must be spiritually dead and don't know it. You may be healthy physically but when that begins to go....you will experience a little humility. From the moment you were born your days were numbered here. You began to stink a little more each day. Pride goes before a fall.

 

Present your god.

Special pleading.

 

Even if your god existed, I would still be more moral than it; If you showed that your god existed I would not bow before it.

A human starts to decay from the moment he allows superstition to enter his life.

 

No, everything we see in nature exists in a constant, never-ending state of transformation between various states of Matter and energy with no definitive start point.

 

He presents Himself. If you missed Him, there are those that point the way. It's not my job to convince...just point. That is as far as I go. I share what I know to be true with only those that sincerely search.

 

You maybe surprised to find death more than a dirtnap. If that is all it is, then I'm not out anything. I do not believe you would bow before my God. You must be a god unto yourself.

 

I see you do have faith. Our only difference is....in what do you put your faith. How does matter exist? How does a void exist? What is light? What is darkness other than the absence of light? Did darkness have a Genesis?

 

Your veiled threats are meaningless.

 

If you see that I made you a threat....you are delusional. If you feel threatened it is from within your own being. Nothing I have ever said or done. What I believe does not have to threaten you in any way.

 

Yeah, I don't give a fig about it and I don't feel threatened, I feel sorry for you and your delusion but, it is still a threat no matter how much god you wrap it in. That you don't see that should be a warning sign for you about how deep your delusion is.

 

You can do better than that!

I'm 80...and yeah, I am in decent health.

I have more ****** humility than anyone else alive.

My days are numbered...and at 80, I suspect they are fewer than I would like...not because I do not want to die, but because I am enjoying this time of my life so much.

As a matter of interest, if you a willing to answer this, I'd like to know your religion?