OK Biden/Dem voters what now?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Bluesguy, Nov 13, 2022.

  1. PPark66

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    The administration will be busy implementing legislation passed: Build Back Better, Infrastructure, CHIPS to name a few. I suspect the Senate will take another look at Voting Rights and campaign finance or the legislation they didn’t get gone.

    The House is anyone’s guess at this point. I suspect the Freedom Caucus to muck things up in January. So it’s possible we’ll have no leader and any configuration of 218 will run the show. Bacon (R) has already stated he’ll support a moderate D. I suspect it’s going to be herding cats chaos at the beginning of the year.
     
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    Stoking the inflation fire with leftist policies.
     
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    I want private insurance to remain — who said there was no alternative? I want this for other people, not necessarily myself.

    No American should avoid the doctor (or dentist — people in Appalachia have horrible teeth) because of cost.
     
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    It doesn't matter which empty suit/pant suit they put on the ticket - whoever it is, they'll win. Or should I say "win"??

    I don't know how much cheating they're able to pull off with ballot harvesting and mail-in, but combined with the increase in Millennials and Gen Z voters, I doubt any pro-America, pro-economy, pro-jobs candidate has much of a chance in a national election.

    Arizona, Colorado, and Georgia are now blue. Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin will continue sliding left.

    My wife is filipina, we're beginning to talk about an escape plan to the Philippines. We bought some property there a couple years ago just in case. I'm hoping America can hang on til I retire, but I'm not optimistic.
     
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    Yeah, who needs freedom when a mass of unaccountable bureaucrats can micromanage my life?? ;)
     
  6. Bluesguy

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    Well if you let them tax your $18,000 you spend for private insureance for Medicare for all how are you going to pay for your private insurance?
     
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    Medicare should be based on a copay only basis, you should not have to buy more insurance, it should cover dental, vision and hearing as well

    can we get Republicans and Democrats to work on that you think?
     
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    I can answer that. I think they should learn what is actually in the best interests of the nation.
     
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    I would view his service in the Senate as a big nothing. He definitely doesn't work with anyone on the right as president. I have never been angrier at a president in my life. It is the first time that one of them has hurt me personally. I will never forgive him.
     
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    Which simply isn't an answer. It's an attempt to derail here. Why? Can you not just identify the democratic policy that is going to otherwise halt and ease inflation? What will you folks do? Just sit it out and wait until magic happens?
     
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    Inflation has already begun to ease.

    S&P 500 closes higher after another lighter-than-expected inflation report, Nasdaq jumps 1.4%
    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/14/stock-futures-rise-after-falling-monday-fading-last-weeks-rally.html
     
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    Which doesn't mean that inflation isn't happening, does it? Inflation last month was still over 8%. Are you suggesting that because it isn't 9% that somehow that's a win? Laughable. I suggest you start looking around at the really large companies that are already laying folks off. Why do you suppose the everyone is calling for a deep and enduring recession in 23? And as it continues to build into the picture, and Biden does what Biden does, and starts printing more and more useless money, then what? Do you expect that further cranking down on energy production will magically ease supply chains?

    Face it, you can't demagogue your way out of this. Democrats are intentionally trying to tank the economy of the US and free nations around the world Isn't this what you support? The great "reset" and all?
     
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    Your description of a bull moose progressive agenda is a socialist agenda. Well, most 'progressives' are actually neo-communists in the dem party in the US.
     
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    FED policy is already working — I hope they can thread the needle so that it doesn’t cause massive inflation and now that the anti-governing has a tiny majority in the house let’s see what they can do to prevent any progress.

    You still didn’t answer my proposal?
     
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    How is "fed policy already working"? It hasn't stopped energy prices spiking has it? And if the policy only affects things like debt, that has about zero effect on supply of energy. And when layoff do cut deeply into the economy, then what? Biden's open checkbook plan? And how does that compete then with the Fed's escalation of interest rates? So, massive inflation created by the snowball of energy destruction of this administration.
     
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    Energy is an issue all over the globe. It started with our domestic production falling towards the tail end of the previous administration and then SA coordinating with that administration to massively cut production.

    As SA increased production to normal levels and domestic production increased prices dropped. Once the Russian fiasco happened and SA pledged to again limit production it is increasing again.

    I agree that Biden should be pushing more for domestic production that will taper as other sources come online instead of just pushing renewables but to act like this is solely his fault ignores the global oil supply.
     
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    It's a big economy which does not operate in a vacuum, meaning inflation is a global phenomenon. Inflation didn't appear suddenly nor will it disappear suddenly. Does the data suggest it has peaked and is in decline in response to the Fed's aggressive rate hikes? Yes. What you need to be thinking about is pivoting your criticism of Biden from inflation to recession. Or maybe a light bulb in your house burned out and you can blame Biden for that too.
     
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    all of them. i personally believe that america is a democracy, not distinct from a republic.

    The National Progressive Party, committed to the principles of government by a self-controlled democracy expressing its will through representatives of the people, pledges itself to secure such alterations in the fundamental law of the several states and of the United States as shall insure the representative character of the government.
     
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    Which still doesn't answer the question. Biden attacked energy which had the effect of creating inflation in the US and around the world. And yes, inflation did appear "suddenly" but only after Biden attacked the energy producers. You'd have to live in a cave to not understand that. No data, to date, suggests that inflation has peaked. In fact, we aren't able to guess at when inflation might be staved off given the continued attack mr Biden has renewed on energy producers. I'd suggest that as the Biden administration stop glibly ignored the last recession, that his future explanation for what looks like a real humdinger of a recession in 23 is going to simply be an offshoot of this conversation. Namely, Biden tanks the economy, again. Let's see if he will ever cop to it. I doubt it. It isn't who he is.

    So, what the Fed can do, they have. Which isn't to say that their efforts will stop, because as we have seen, historically, they have a LONG WAY to go before we get to 13-18% which was the case in the late 70s. Currently, we're hovering around 3.75-4% ... a long way to go. Have you seen the impact in the housing sector already? It's like sales fell off a cliff. Thank Biden for that. He's the guy who seems to want to single handedly destroy as much as humanly possible. And your team all gleefully vote for it, because, why again? jealousy? Because as so many democrats said during the last quarter, I don't care, I can afford it.... Yeah, that's going to sell well...
     
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    That fallacious allegation has yet to be substantiated in any credible way. Care to try?
     
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    depends what republicans are willing to work on in a bipartisian way with dems, repubs control the house
     
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    And of course since Biden is helpless to do anything about it to what do you attribute it too?

    Maybe consumer spending is tanking? Amazon and FedEx laying off workers in anticipation of a lousy Christmas season? The tech sector announcing massive layoffst
     
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