OK Biden/Dem voters what now?

If Dems were smart they would be working on figuring out why they lost by nearly 5,000,000 and at least 8 seats.
They would also be wondering why they have 13,000,000 fewer votes than 4 years ago.

But, that doesn't seem to be how they roll.

And no riots.

We may have hit the sweet spot of how much Dems can lose by, without some of them burning down out cities for several months.

 

No it is not. The house will be able to stop any partisan bill it wants. The supreme court doesn't count. It doesn't govern. It interprets the constitution. Gridlock is about congress which is now gridlocked and the president who can veto bills. Partisan bills won't get to the president to veto. So yes, dems have the president and the senate, two thirds of what is required to legislate.

 

It was because Dick Morris told Clinton either you get on board with them or face losing reelection. His tax rate increase slowed the recovery he inherited and slowed the growth of tax revenues. People wanted the Rep policies and they got them and the economy got back on track and welfare reform worked and we actually had budget surpluses.
It was someone else who wants Medicare for all not me.

 

I wasn't counting the SCOTUS. The House, Senate and WH. Dems control two. And of course Biden ran in and was elected as the person best able to work with both sides.

 

They should be looking at 2024 where the Reps are in a much better position than now.

 

We watch and wait.

We watch the consummate politician of our age as he accomplishes abortion encoding, healthcare for all, and middle-class tax cuts while the Republicans try to cancel social security. Then we wait for the BLUE tsunami in 2024 which will as real as Trump is a liar

 

Shame. I was hoping for some real discussion based on the title of the thread. But no, just Republicans answering their own question with sneering and pointing.
Nearly impossible to get any real opinion on this site anymore.

 

You used the term branches of government. The Congress (house and senate) are a single branch. Biden was put on the ballot to beat Trump. It had nothing to do with his ability to work with both sides which, of course, he doesn't do.

 

All the opinions are real. You just don't like them.

 

Sorry I should have said "bodies". And one of his promotions was his long serving in Congress and ability to work both sides to agreements.

 

I wasn't after opinions on what Democrats are like, I was after suggestions on what they should do in real life.

 

I meant SOME Dems here. Obviously the vast majority of Dems are as deliberately law abiding as the great majority of the American people. Unfortunately it's beyond the 15 minutes where I may correct my post.

 

I expect that democrats will continue to do stupid shyte like this:



Because its what kids do when they have a temper tantrum....

 

Politics have definitely changed. Bipartisanship was more valued in the past.

For medicare, it's more about overall cost benefit. Taxes can go up, but that's okay as long as it is offset by lower costs elsewhere (e.g. fewer/lower payments coming out of paychecks that we currently have with employer-purchased insurance) or an extra benefit like fewer uninsured clogging our emergency rooms with non-emergent care. Our current system is inefficient due to high administrative costs, among other things, and insurance company profits that do not incentivize higher quality. Seniors recognize that medicare is a good thing. It can be applied to younger people too.

 

The plan is nothing different and they're sticking to it. I think you forgot that without the House, that plan has some serious holes in it.

 

Sticking to what plan?

 

How are you going to PAY FOR IT? How much in taxes are you willing to pay. Insurance companies have every incentive to insure quality and satisfied customers it is the government that does not. Medicare is going broke as it is and you want to expand it? And emergency rooms are not required to treat or admit non-emergency cases. What drives up the cost for private citizens is the cost shifting Medicaid and Medicare require providers to engage.

 

Willing to make a wager?
If inflation is worse in 2024 than it is now I will vote Republican and if it is less you will vote Democratic?

You shouldn’t have anything to worry about, right?

 

I would be willing to pay about 18,000 a year more in taxes for universal medical care seeing as that’s what I pay for my family to our insurance broker each year. We can even keep a small co-payment so people have skin in the game.

 

Why on earth would you do that and subjugate your healthcare to the government with no alternative? If you do not like your insurance or what to customize your plan you can do that now, if you believe the insurance company is not providing you great service you can change to another company. Not only will the amount of care available go down you won't have any options if you do not like the service you are getting. You do realize the reason you pay so much to your insurance broker is because you are already paying for a chunk of that "free medical care" the government provides to the poor on Medicaid and retirees on Medicare. It's not just for you and your family's care.

 

Nope. First lets see the Pubs in the House pass some bills that will appeal to the Senate and President on those topics and garner some bipartisan support. That's where legislation starts, and that is where its majority should show real leadership. We both know that Republicans in Washington get off on theatrics and obstruction and nothing is going to get done as long as they hold the House.

 

Because of national politics. It helps the GOP more politically to be against something like this nationally even though they own citizens in the state say otherwise.

 

It wasn't Bill Clinton here. He was a lame duck President, into his second term. The tax bill created Section 121, which nullified the 1034 exchange rules for primary residences. It lowered and simplified the long-term capital gains rate. Prior, it was under the orginal 1986 rules of either 25% or the lower marginal tax rates. And it created certain tax credits, such as the child tax credit and the education credit in exchange for higher marginal tax rates. Yet, the effective tax rates did not go up that much for higher-income groups. And most people liked the bill. This was in 1997. In 1998, they had the longest, at that time, government shutdown and the GOP acquissed because the public began to go against them. The GOP didn't learn its lesson then and didn't learn the lesson in 2013 when Ted Cruz tried to do this.

 

The DEMS control 2 of the 3 bodies, they have had all 3 for two years ball is in THEIR court where are their bills where is Biden's leadership. Did they REALLY get voted in to just sit there and watch. On the one hand is they are helpless to do anything about anything and on the other the Reps have to do it first. Which is it it can't be both else the Reps can just sit there and do nothing because they are powerless to do anything too. LOTS has gotten done with Rep Congresses and Presidents ala Bill Clinton.

He was in his first term after the mid-year elections JUST AS NOW. THAT tax bill was his tax INCREASE that slowed the recovery he inherited and slowed the growth of tax revenues. . The Gingrich/Kasich tax bill produced record revenue increases and welfare reform created more taxpayers and less government expense and with other spending restraint a strong economy and budget surpluses. And BTW Bush43 and the Republican Congress used similar fiscal and tax policy to get us out of the 2001 recession and into 52 months of one of our strongest economies with even HIGHER revenue growth and heading back to surplus budgets but then the Dems took back the Congress.

 

Nope its the peoples house that leads. Thats' how bills work their way through the system. You guys like to talk leadership, well do some leading. Get some legislation passed that the Senate might find 60 votes for, and the President might sign and make it happen. We of course will obstruct and blame, because that's the lesson you taught us. I am sure you have some great ideas we have not heard yet that are so compelling you will win hearts and minds all over this great country and we will have to compitulate and vote for, that will MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!