One Christian who fought back.

No one is forced to attend public schools. They are forced to attend a school, but it doesn't have to be public.

 

no i'm good, there's no use in correcting an error thats already been corrected. I don't see much need, since its already been stated.

 

so it would need to be taken up in a court of law?

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yeah, his freedom of speech should extend to that as well. I wouldn't like it, but I would say he had the right.

 

He doesn't have the right. He is a guest speaker and the owners of the event (taxpayers) have the right to limit his comments to the areas they believe are relevant to the situation. If the guest speaker doesn't agree with those rules, they can decline. But to agree then violate them is chicken shattery. He's no better then a vandal, he's worse then a vandal because he has nothing at risk. he's just a selfish drama queen.

But to those afflicted with CPC (christian persecution complex) he's Rosa Parks. I see a speaking tour an millions in his future. Because THAT is how vapid, empty and bankrupt christianity has become.

 

I thought you said the verse had NOT been addressed specifically.
Stand up for something, elijah.

 

so he can be sued or arrested, right?

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o just the meaning wasn't exegeted correctly, but it has since been corrected.

 

Please point it out. I must have missed it.

 

was your point that we shouldn't pray in public?

 

Please point it out. I must have missed it.

 

In which case, the biblical doctrine sucks major dick.

 

If that wasn't your point, I apologize. If it wasn't what was it?

 

Please point it out. I must have missed it.
(Didn't know your dance solo was going to be so long!)

 

So your issue with public schools is that they set a minimum standard for education and ensure that all students reach that standard?
As for the level of catering to the needs of individual children, isn't this determined on a case-by-case basis by teachers? I recall students being held back a grade or skipping a grade, students being assigned to "Advanced Placement" or "Special Needs" classes, students being given special projects and/or additional homework...

Yup, and I can definately see the benefits of a schooling system in which the health class has been sponsored by Phillip Morris...

 

The idea of someone having to conceal their faith is offensive, I agree. But if there is a rule, convention, procedure, etc. in place that specifies that faith is not to be an issue in a certain context then since it applies to everyone it seems to me to be reasonable. I am not referencing the reason for the rule etc. merely looking at the situation where it exists. I can understand the attitude of the Founding Fathers to state religion and the mix of the secular and the religious given the appalling examples that were set in England, but whether or not there needs to be a change in how the separation is expressed in the contemporary US is both outside of my ken and my ability to comment.

 

Would people applaud a vandal? What damage did he do? I don't see how speaking can be worse than the actions of destroying someone's property.

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Would people applaud a vandal? What damage did he do? I don't see how speaking can be worse than the actions of destroying someone's property.

 

only if making people listen to your religion at an event that's part of their life as much as its a part of yours counts as violating someone's religious freedom I think it dose

 

Sure I'm sure that Jesus never prayed in public. Cite one instance in the Bible where he prayed in public. You can't. That's because he never did.

 

Churches are businesses, usually privately owned and operated.

 

All religions claim that theirs is the only true religion and all others will be punished. The Bible has some very colorful stories to illustrate that point. But so does the Koran and the Book of Mormon.

 

Praying on the cross

Luke 23

32 Two other men, both criminals, were also led out with him to be executed. 33 When they came to the place called the Skull, they crucified him there, along with the criminals—one on his right, the other on his left. 34 Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.

Praying Garden of Gethsemane

Luke 22:39-46

[39] Jesus went out as usual to the Mount of Olives, and his disciples followed him. [40] On reaching the place, he said to them, "Pray that you will not fall into temptation." [41] He withdrew about a stone's throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed, [42] "Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done." [43] An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him. [44] And being in anguish, he prayed more earnestly, and his sweat was like drops of blood falling to the ground.

[45] When he rose from prayer and went back to the disciples, he found them asleep, exhausted from sorrow. [46] "Why are you sleeping?" he asked them. "Get up and pray so that you will not fall into temptation."

Praying while feeding 5,000

Matthew 14:13-21

13 When Jesus heard what had happened, he withdrew by boat privately to a solitary place. Hearing of this, the crowds followed him on foot from the towns. 14 When Jesus landed and saw a large crowd, he had compassion on them and healed their sick.

15 As evening approached, the disciples came to him and said, “This is a remote place, and it’s already getting late. Send the crowds away, so they can go to the villages and buy themselves some food.”

16 Jesus replied, “They do not need to go away. You give them something to eat.”

17 “We have here only five loaves of bread and two fish,” they answered.

18 “Bring them here to me,” he said. 19 And he directed the people to sit down on the grass. Taking the five loaves and the two fish and looking up to heaven, he gave thanks and broke the loaves. Then he gave them to the disciples, and the disciples gave them to the people. 20 They all ate and were satisfied, and the disciples picked up twelve basketfuls of broken pieces that were left over. 21 The number of those who ate was about five thousand men, besides women and children.

 

ok, if you're going to play childish games, and not try to move conversation further, then I'm done. I've asked questions, and you're playing the part of a 6th grader. If that's all you've got we're done.

 

Could they have walked out during that part? Could they have not listened? If someone speaks are you obligated to listen?

 

when its the person is speaking at your graduation and your stuck there between rows of your peers and your family is all their to watch you yes u are and you should not have to chose between the ceremony and having to listen to some ones religion

 

Looking back on things, I can't remember what anybody said at my high school graduation. I'm sure it wasn't that important.

 

But religious prayers have no place during tax paid events. If he wanted to pray, he could do it on his own.