Only 28% of Pakistanis Have Unfavorable Opinion of ISIS

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/17/in-nations-with-significant-muslim-populations-much-disdain-for-isis/

But I've been told countless times that the worldwide population of Muslims overwhelmingly rejects the extremist message of groups like ISIS! According to very recent Pew research pollilng, that's not exactly the case. In many Muslim areas of the world, groups like ISIS are not overwhelmingly rejected. In almost every Muslim country polled, a double digit percentage of the population either has a favorable opinion of the group, or can't decide if their opinion is positive or negative.

And keep in mind this is only one group. There are many other Islamic terrorist groups in existence. Just because a Muslim opposes ISIS in particular doesn't mean they don't support Al Qaeda, or Boko Haram, the Muslim Brotherhood, etc. This poll also doesn't show how many Muslims support the goals of these groups, even if they don't support the groups themselves.

Pakistan seems to contradict some left-wing claims that extremism is more prevalent in areas affected by Western interventionism. Correct me if I'm wrong, but has the US and the West been as active in Pakistan as they have been in other areas of the Middle East? How could Pakistan be more extreme than Palestine, which is constantly dealing with Israel and other Western countries?

 

The more people know about ISIS, the more they hold an unfavorable view of them, as we can see in the polls provided in the OP, in every area where people know more about ISIS there is an increased number who view them unfavorably. Many people in the middle east don't know about ISIS, in fact in some countries the majority don't know what 9/11 is. It is always within these areas where fewer people view these terrorists unfavorably

 

Pakistan is indeed one of the 7 Muslim countries bombed under the Obama administration, to the point where they made a complaint to the UN for the US to cease their drone strikes. As Imran Khan (leader of the PTI party) explained, the people in these areas being bomb are not familiar with western culture, most of them do not even know what 9/11 is. To them, US drone strikes are their window of the US

Palestine is not one of the 7 countries bombed by the US

 

ISIS are a bunch of barbaric a holes. I don't think they'd poll well anywhere.

 

Yet we have people here seriously arguing that only 1 percent of Muslims are radical

 

And 1% of a couple of billion is a lot of *******s.

 

How odd. The text looks familiar but the emphasis differs. Somebody's misrepresenting again. They may be the least UNfavourable but they're not the most FAVOURABLE which is the one to worry about..

 

Looks like at least 8% on average support ISIS openly so I would imagine the percentage that is radical would be higher.

 

The big problem over the long-term, is even if they get 1/6th of the Muslim World to agree with them, that's a lot of people and a lot of firepower potentially. Whereas, the Left howls over "right wing extremism" and the maybe few hundred members in the ENTIRE U.S Continent lol.

 

Well, those 28% must not be well-educated.

 

Amazing, the chart you posted contains the same exact information as the chart I posted in the OP. What did this add, exactly? And how was I wrong? Is it not true that only 28% of Muslims in Pakistan have an unfavorable view of ISIS?

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Can you show the percentage of people in Pakistan who don't know about ISIS, don't know about 9/11? Etc?

 

Yes, it's amazing how desperate some are to apologize for Islam. These people tend to be left-wing progressives. What is in it for them? Islam opposes the progressive lifestyle in almost every way. Gay rights? Women's rights? Atheism? Seriously, why the hell would they support this religion and those who practice it?

I think it really boils down to white guilt. There's a subset of Western society that just feels an inherent need to protect any non-white person. And, since conservatives oppose Islam, that must mean Islam is good, and needs to be defended. Progressives hate conservatives that much that they'd rather support an ideology and religion that hates them, just as long as it goes against what conservatives are doing.

 

In other words, most Muslims in this poll reject ISIS, to include 100% of Lebanese, 97% of Jordanians, and 84% of Palestinians.

Some areas (like Iraq and Afghanistan) the US is more active in, others less active. But they are certainly heavily involved in Pakistan. Drones are pervasive throughout the country, and special operations forces have been operational there as well. And then there is the collaboration between the US government and the Pakistani central government, which is often viewed as corrupt and oppressive by many Pakistani people.

 

You think everyone who disagrees with you is suffering from "white guilt".

 

And therein lies the major problem with Muslim believers of Islam..........
We keep hearing the "good" Muslims do not believe like the radical Muslims.
BUT, they are never really found in any great numbers and most would rather say nothing.
Saying NOTHING really says a lot about what a person really believes..........

 

No, I believe I was clear in the OP. ISIS, and terror groups like them, are not overwhelmingly rejected like progressives and libertarians like to claim in the West. The reality is that a significant minority in the Islamic world, or the majority depending on the area, either supports them, or is indifferent towards them. This is in accordance with Pew polls that have been taken on individual issues which align with the "extremist" ideology, such as suicide bombing, capital punishment for apostasy, and others.

The talking point that has been thrown out is that ISIS is a bigger enemy to Muslims than to Christians and Westerners, since Muslims are victimized a lot more than other groups. Shouldn't this victimization balance out the oppression felt by the West?

 

More likely they're tired of US drone strikes, and are willing to turn to pretty much anyone to end it. That's been ISIS's recruiting call from the beginning: your kids were killed by the West, let's kick them out.

 

We're also told that the "good Muslims" reject the extremist ideology espoused by the terrorists, but if we aren't nice and tolerant enough of them, they might invariably adopt that extremist ideology anyway and become terrorists.

 

The "Islamic world" is not a real thing. It's just a made-up abstraction that only exists in your head. In reality, Muslims are heterogeneous, diffuse, and idiosyncratic. And "overwhelmingly" is not an objective, quantitative metric, so using this data to establish if something is "overwhelming" or not is pretty nonsensical.

Most Muslims polled have an unfavorable view of ISIS, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with this line of questioning.

You must hate yourself and be suffering from white guilt to think something like that...

 

Yes, and there is plenty of logic and evidence to support that viewpoint, including the data you posted in this thread which shows that most Muslims disapprove of ISIS. All you're trying to argue is that they don't "overwhelmingly" disapprove of them, whatever that is supposed to mean.

 

I'll trust that most people won't get bogged down in silly arguments over whether the "Islamic world" is an "abstraction" or not. I'll assume most people will conclude that I was referring to the areas of the world where Islam is dominant.

And the data shows that the typical talking point regarding a "tiny minority of extremists" is suspect, at best.

Depending on the area. In Pakistan, as the OP shows, most Muslims do not have an unfavorable view of ISIS.

 

Except for the nearly 100% of Lebanese and Jordanian people who disapprove of ISIS. The results would likely be the same if Iran were polled, since they are mostly Shia who hate ISIS and are fighting them in Iraq and Syria at this very moment.

 

So if we aren't accepting enough of Islam, these "good Muslims", who apparently reject the extremist ideology practiced by terrorists, might decide to adopt that ideology anyway. So we better be very tolerant of them and their religion, otherwise it's timebomb just waiting to go off on us all.

Yes, I believe I was clear in the OP that the purpose is to show that the left-wing (and libertarian) talking points regarding Muslims are false.

 

Iranian Shiites would likely support Hezbollah over ISIS. How comforting. I believe the OP dealt with this, as well. There are many Islamic terror groups, and it would be wrong to assume that just because a Muslim opposes ISIS, they oppose Islamic terror groups in general. It also doesn't show how many Muslims in these areas support the extremist goals of these terrorists, even if they don't support the terrorist groups themselves.

 

Disapproving is one thing.....
Willing to fight to stop them is quite another.
Again, being silently disapproving of something really says a lot about a person......