Only a Palestinian State ensures Israel's survival

this was a temporary, interem agreement.

had nothing to do with final status.

 

Oslo gave Israel legitimacy in the West Bank, until final solution. OR we can say legitimacy in Area C, which the Arabs agreed to.
Before the illegal Jordanian occupation, alot of the land of Judea and Samaria was Jewish land. That came after Jewish purchases in the old city of Jerusalem and in Judea and Samaria, according to a research that made by Eli Zamir and Eyal Benvenisti.

Stealing area C? how come? Area C is been controled by Israel according to international agreement, and the research by Eli Zamir and Eyal Benvenisti that I refered you to earlier is just rainforcing that claim.

BTW- ISIS soppurters is living today in Israel, you can see their flags in Jerusalem, Nazerath and so on.

Not control of themselves? so who is in control in area A and B? Qatar?
Area A is under 100% Arab control.
Area B is under cevilian control and Israeli security control, according to Oslo Accords.

The IDF doesnt kill some innocent people in the West Bank, and dont do things because "the soldiers felt to do", every step that the IDF making in the West Bank is after approvels and taking in consideration international agreements.
The Arabs have the right to work their land, and they do it.
The Arabs have the right to travel freely in area A and B, and they do it.
Isreal is providing the PLO electricity, fuel, water, money etc. Israel is fulfilling the water agreement that was signed in Oslo Accords, even if that water agreement was ment to take place only 5 years from the signing.

The IDF "annoying" Arabs that there is an intelligence that some Arabs did a terror activities against Israeli citizens, and according to Oslo Accords this actions, defending their citizens, is was agreed on in Oslo Accords.

Oslo soppused to last until a peremant agreement would be signed between the two sides, until then Oslo will be fulfilled!
Israel is fulfilling all of the laws that was agreed on in Hague convention in 1907 + in the Fourth Geneva. I can provide you that if you like.

Israel and the Arabs agreed in Oslo that Israel will do what it takes to defend their citizens if they would be attacked, and that's what Israel doing today.

BTW- you noticed you are talking about Gaza and not the West Bank right? for that i can tell you that in the last operation the IDF found evidences, a filmed ones, that make you see that Hamas used the Arab population in Gaza as humen shields, how? well one of the videos you can see that inside a mosque weapons. In other video you can see a rocket launcher near UNRWA school.

So you are saying that Hamas wants all of Israel? want to iradicate Israel from this earth, to destroy a legitimate country, and you still soppurting them. This is odd.
How can you say that an organization that use Hitler's words in their Charter is "not that bad"? how can you soppurt an organization that want to iradicate Jews because their Jews?

Israel attacks Hamas in Gaza like America killed Bin Laden, same thing. HOW? somple:
Bin Laden was behind 11/9 and did everything to hurt America, therefore America needed to take him down. Israel is doing the same, Israel killed terrorists that have Israelies blood on their hands, like Osama had Americans blood in his hands. When innocent people get hurt in the making is awfull, it really is, but if you would look in the filmed evidences from the last operation you would see that it is Hamas fault, Egypt had already realized it.

If you will hear the speech that Abu-Mazen gave in the UN several weeks ago, you would hear that Abu-Mazen dont want any peace nagotiation with Israel, and in the speech that Bibi gave he said that he want to nagotiate, and still you are saying that Israel is to blame here.
in th e 90's the two sides tried to accomplish some sort of "two states solution", but right after Oslo Arafat started the seconf intifadah, while Israel honored it and still do.

Israe is providing those days concrate and other goods to rehibilitate Gaza from the last operation, and Israel did it even while the last operation was going on.

So you say the Arabs, Hamas, is acting ok? while murdering their felow brothers in Gaza.
Please look at this short video about Hamas:
[video=youtube;n6voZyZj4pE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6voZyZj4pE[/video]

Really? because the last operation began after the Islamic Jihad and Hamas fired rockets thoward Israel. That took place after the kidnapping of the three teenagers in the West Bank and the mass searching that was there. Get your facts right please.

He condemned what Hamas comitted in the last Operation, like he condemned the killing of innocent.

Lets take a look what forigen reporters sew in Gaza:
This is what Al Jazeera reporter expirianced:
[video=youtube;tNNsEEzYReQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNNsEEzYReQ[/video]

This is what France24 reporter experianced:
[video=youtube;WXdEWrN3IEw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXdEWrN3IEw[/video]

And there are more of those in Youtube.

The reason for "Cast Lead" was because Hamas rockets that have been fired toward Israeli cevilian.

Well if you are soppurting of one side actions, so as Israeli politicans said about that claim, if the Arabs will make a one side actions, without agreements, so do Isreal will, it will be mutual.
BUT let us not forget that the one side action that Abu-Mazen wants to do about "Palestine" will not be accapted, like previous one didnt.

So he is a Jew, and...? I mean the fact that he is a Jews doesnt mean that he need to soppurt Israel, he could have other views on this conflict.

It was a temporary agreement, and it is still a temporary agreement, until a final one will be signed, and until that would happen Oslo Accords will continue to axist in the West Bank.

 

not even 1% of the West Bank was owned by Jews before 1949.

 

After the world war I a Jewish organizations purchased pieces of land in Gaza, Judea and Samaria and the rest of the Land of Israel from Arabs.
Between the years Jewish purchases increased, even in Judea and Samaria. For example, in 1927 group of Jews bought a land of 4,000 donams, near the Jerusalem-Hebron road, from 10 Arabs from the village Beit Omar. In that land had been extablished the Jews village Migdal Eder, which were destroyed on the riots that took place and it's residens were been murdered.
At the year of 1932, Shmuel Zvi Holtzman, purchased all of the land of Migdal Eder and some more, ,in total it was more then 5,000 Donams of land was belong to Jews. That purchase help to extablished Etzion Village.
577 Jews purchased land in Judea and Samaria with the help of the organization "To The Mountain" until the riots of 1936-39 which this organization had been demolished.
The Jewish National Fund purchased once again the area of Etzion village in 1940-43 and alot of lands near it from American Jews and Jews from Jerusalem that owned that land from the 30's.

Cohen farm had been purchased by Yitzchak Yehuda Cohen, 129 donams. It was purchased again by The Jewish National Fund in 1936, when he left.
In 1943 The Jewish National Fund purchased 450 donams near Beit Lehem, in the land of Beit J'ala.
A research that have been published in the 90's metioned that in 1948, in Gosh Etzion and near Beit Lehem were 8,400 Donams that belonged to Jews.
In the late 19th century, a group of Yamenis Jews purchased lands in the village Nabi Samuel, according to Weitz.
He continue and write that 2,275 donams were Jewish in the area of the villages Nabi Samuel, Bidu Al-Jib, and 791 donams from the village of Beit Iksa. The Jewish National Fund purchased another 500 donams in the same area.
Weitz also write that 1,972 Donams in the villages of Abu Dis, Anata, Hizma, Jadra, A-Ram, Shu'afat and Atarot.
In 1935 a Jewish group purchased 850 donams, North of Jerusalem, and established there the village Neve Ya'acov, that have been evecuated in 1948.

Acording to Weitz, in the area of Tulkarm thousand of donams was by Jews, in the area of the villages Etil, Habala and Qalqilya
In the North of the dead sea had a franchise on 20,000 donams. In that area a Jewish village had been established and evecuated eventually in 1948.

In Gaza the Jews have 6,984 donams in the Gaza, 1,916 donams in Beit Hanoun and 263 donams in Deir Al Balah, which in that area was established the Jewish village of Kfar Darom in 1946 and been evecuated 2 years after.

All of this information was brought up from the research of Eyal Benvenisti and Eli Zamir- "The Legal Status of Lands Acquired by Israelis before 1948 in the West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem", that been published in 1993.

 

that's nice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_Palestine#Land_ownership_by_district

in most areas of the West Bank in 1945, Jews owned maybe 1% of the territory.

 

So you believe a site which everyone can write in, on every subject, rether then believing an actual research that been made by respactive prof.

Once again:

 

the map was made by the United Nations.

but let me guess, you don't trust the UN either.

 

I didnt say that, but when history is involve i probably believe history prof. that brings actual reports. Even the Mufti of Jerusalem said that a Jewish purcahses been made, the same Mufti that colobarate with Hitler and was against the Jews, but probably you forgot that fact.

 

the fact is the vast majority of the West Bank was NOT owned by Jews before 1949.

 

And on the third time:

I'm giving you facts from a relaible research and Prof.

 

facts that don't dispute the clear reality that in 1946, Jews owned no more than 1% of the land in the three districts that make up today's West Bank.

 

Maybe stuntman forgot about the European dairy farms the Zionists confiscated.

 

And if they dont dispute, why did you qoute me?

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the farm that been established before 1938 in the West Bank was after Jews bought that land. Please read the research I refered Ronstar to.

 

Jews owning 1% of the West Bank, is meaningless and irrelevent.

 

All these dairy farms were established in the late 1800 by European Christians and were tidy and successful. The Zionists ran them off and confiscated their dairy farms some 30 years later.

 

A lot of the Jewish land in the West Bank is what we know today as "area C", and if those facts werent new to you, it means when you are anouncing that "Jews need to leave the West Bank", by saying that you are ignoring your own facts.

If you would be more specific it would be more easy and efficient to answer you.

 

barely any of that land is actual Jewish-owned private property.

 

It is, now you are ignoring your own facts.

 

The German Colony (Hamoshava Hagermanit) (Hebrew: המושבה הגרמנית&#8206 was established in Haifa in 1868 by the German Templers. It was the first of several colonies established by the group in the Holy Land. Others were founded in Sarona near Jaffa, Galilee and Jerusalem.

 

The German Templers that were in Haifa until the begining of world war II, and they were expelled by the British that rule the Land of Israel. The British expelled the Templers because in world war II the Templers soppurted Hitler and because that the Britis relocated them to quarantine camps and then got expelled.
What happened to the Templers had nothing to do with the Jews, what happenend to them was by the British.

BTW- the Jews are maintining the Templers's building and renovated them.

 

what percent of the West Bank is actually owned by Jews?

 

In 1937, 34% of the Templers were card-carrying members of the Nazi party.

 

The West Bank have 5.5 Million Donams, from that you have 1.9 Million Donams that are state land which you can find them in the Turkish Land Registry records, 123,000 Donams of Jewish land, 1.9 Million Donams that seperate to 2 things:
1. Unregulated land
2. Arab land.
And the rest of the land in the West Bank are nature reserves and wasteland.

According to Yesha organization.

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Ok, still it doesnt reject what I said. Just rainforces it.

 

2% of the West Bank is owned by Jews? maybe.

 

And still if you know this, it just show that when you say "the Jews need to leave the West Bank becuase it doesnt belong to them", just ignoring the facts you know.