Only a Palestinian State ensures Israel's survival

The very word "Palestine" was cooked up by the blatantly anti-Semitic Roman Emperor Hadrian at 135 C.E. to destroy not only the Jewish state, but the very word "Israel".

 

The British never owned the land of the Mandate.. They just administered it.. so it wasn't theirs to GIVE to anyone especially since other people had been living there for generations..

 

Hadrian was an anti-Semite???????????????????????????

and no, Judea was not the "Jewish state". You can't use such modern terminology for 2,000 year old provinces.

 

Wrong.. Herodotus, the Greek historian, called it Syria-Palestine circa 500 BC... It was a province of Syria.

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Wrong.. Herodotus, the Greek historian, called it Syria-Palestine circa 500 BC... It was a province of Syria.

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Ridiculous, huh?

 

Israel could have done alot better addressing the conqured Jordinians-Palestinians, I agree, but I dont judge too harshly the ppl that lived in that reality of 1967 either, keep in mind that the Palestinians did not demand a state because in their view the state starts at sea and the wrong ppl sat in it, in addition Jordan that annexed the WB for 20 years made an agreement with Isreal, till this day they hold Admin ownership over the Temple mount, so Israel had an excuse and an interst.......countries dont need much more really.

I dont put much blame on the Palestinains either, they were suddenly all alone and without leadership, yes its a damn shame no one could see the future back then. now its just too (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up.

 

Luckly the Jews been there before the Brits came, you must be talking about Egyptian working immigrants, they have rights too....

 

The Brits are the ones that made massive Jewish immigration to Palestine possible.

and made it possible for the Jews to buy land.

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The Brits are the ones that made massive Jewish immigration to Palestine possible.

and made it possible for the Jews to buy land.

 

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadrian#Hadrian_and_Judea.3B_Second_Roman-Jewish_War_and_Jewish_persecution_.28132.E2.80.93136.29

At 500 B.C.E. it was no province of Syria at all, but an autonomous part of Persian Empire.
Have you read the books of Ezra and Nehemiah ?

 

Ask his father how he used to call it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judea

 

Massive immigration, not the "possibility to buy land", settelments already existed when the Brits came, first Aliya + Baron colonies during the Ottomans.

 

He obviously referred to the city of Gaza, still populated by the Philistines (who were Greek rather than Arab).
150 years later they were massacred by Alexander the Great.

 

yeah, maybe 50,000 Jews.

the Brits made it possible for massives Jewish immigration.

 

No, they were there when the circumstances created that immigration, they had laws against it and prison camps to banish the refugees (cypress prison camps) but in many cases the individual officials turned a blind eye to Holocaust refugees, if you have troubles digesting it just imagine they were Arab refugees. the Nazis made it possible to be exact and Jewish refugees found a way to get to the Jewish settlments. Brits, Arabs or whoever couldnt stop history.

 

A FEW settlements might well have existed before British Mandate but it no doubt rapidly increased after 1918.

btw : "In a UNCCP document dated July 4, 1947, oral evidence were presented at a public meeting were Ben-Gurion was present. Ben-Gurion was discussing the "disparities between Jews and Arabs" in Palestine.

He stated: "I shall mention only a few [referring to the disparities between Arabs and Jews]. There is the disparity in numbers. There are some 600,000 Jews in Palestine and some 1,100,000 Arabs. There are no reliable figures in this respect. There is an even greater disparity than that. The Arabs own 94% of the land, the Jews only 6%.

here is the UNCCP document found on line to check for yourself and be "more clear":

http://unispal.un.org/unispal.nsf/0/7735b7...71?OpenDocument

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That is ofcourse what your Zionist thought controllers told you. Now lets
see if you can accept some information outside the Zionist box :

"The Zionist project was fraught with discontinuities, contradictions, and conflicts with the Palestinian natives and occasionally the British Mandate administration, but in the final analysis its implementation was quite successful.
Factors that led to this success include:
In-Migration and Demographic Transformation
Land Acquisition
Separate Jewish Economy
Jewish Labor
Separate Social and Political Institutions
Creation of a Jewish State within a State
In-Migration and Demographic Transformation: Palestine in 1882 had a small, native, and migrant religious Jewish community of roughly 24,000 among a Palestinian population of nearly 500,000.

There were several waves of politically inspired immigration into the country. The first occurred between 1882 and 1903 and totaled about 25,000. The second, between 1904 and 1914, brought in around 35,000 immigrants, which resulted in a total Jewish population of 85,000. The third wave between 1919 and 1923 brought another 85,000 immigrants, mostly Polish and middle class. The December 1931 British census of the country showed that of the 1.04 million people, 84 percent were Arab and 16 percent were Jewish. While the increase in the Jewish population was due largely to in-migration, the Palestinian population increased naturally at 2.7 percent per year. Because of the rise of Nazism, 174,000 Jews migrated to Palestine between 1932 and 1936. Suddenly the Jewish population in Palestine rose to an estimated 28 percent of the total inhabitants.

This radical change, occurring in a brief span of only five years, must certainly be recognized as an important cause of the Palestinian Arab rebellion of 1936 against British Mandate authorities. Both legal and illegal Jewish immigration (according to Mandate authorities) into Palestine increased during World War II and its aftermath. By the end of 1947, Palestine Mandate government estimates indicate that of a total population of 1.9 million, Jews made up only 31 percent. Thus, only a year before the state of Israel was unilaterally declared, the Jewish population constituted less than one-third the total inhabitants. Nevertheless, the Jewish minority in Palestine became a powerful community.

Land Acquisition: Despite their contention that Palestine was a land without people, Zionists discovered that Palestinian land was not uninhabited nor was it readily available. Palestine was densely populated and intensively cultivated. Moreover, the land tenure and ownership system was complex. Available land was expensive and became more so with the rising demand of a population growing as a result of both natural increase in-migration.

With the establishment of the Palestine Mandate, Zionist hopes that state land perceived as vast and potentially accessible”would serve as a basis for land acquisition also turned out to be unrealistic.

From the data, it is possible to discern three periods of land acquisition by Zionists and Jews. While Jews in 1922 owned 3 percent of the land of Palestine, the additional land purchased by 1947 raised the total owned by the immigrant Jews to 7 percent of the whole area of the country.

The British Mandate government classified Palestinian land as good, medium, and poor. After the general armistice of the 1948 war, Israel had captured over 77 percent of Palestine and more than 95 percent of the “good” soil. The newly sovereign state of Israel also expropriated 80 percent of privately owned Palestinian land and confiscated at least 40 percent of properties held by Palestinian Arabs who remained on the land and became citizens. The total losses of Palestinians are estimated at a staggering 7.43 billion Palestinian pounds (equal then to the British pound).


Separate Jewish Economy: The roots of Jewish separatism within Palestine extend from the first decade of the Mandate. British policy of economic development in Palestine, and specifically, of granting Jewish settlers monopolistic concessions and industrial protectionism facilitated the building of an exclusive Jewish economy, little connected to the overall Palestinian economy.

British Mandate government policy advantaged Jewish industry at the expense of Palestinian industry. The result of this situation for Arab industrial development was that Jewish-owned industry grew in light industries in which Arabs were trying to make headway. Thus, the Jewish sector came into direct competition with the Arab sector. Although Palestine has a primarily agricultural economy, especially in the Palestinian Arab sector, the Jewish community acquired only 7 percent of its food from the Arab sector in 1939 and 6 percent in 1944.


Jewish Labor: The initial Zionist project of redemption of the land with Jewish labor quickly transformed during the Mandate period into the development of an urban and industrial Jewish economy and labor force. As in the development of an exclusive Jewish economy, institutions, and land base, the British colonial government of Palestine contributed to the creation, protection, and unemployment relief of exclusive Jewish labor. The British did not, however, extend the same policy to the Palestinian Arab labor force.

Further, the British facilitated the creation of a two-tier wage structure of Palestinian Arabs and Jews in both the private and public sectors. These discriminatory labor policies handicapped Palestinian labor in wage levels and working conditions. The principal means through which the Zionists succeeded in building a separate and privileged labor force was the Histradrut, the General Federation of Jewish Labor, established in 1920, which also owned construction, consumer, banking, and marketing cooperatives.

Separate Social and Political Institutions: The Histadrut was perhaps one of the most developed Jewish social institutions in Palestine. Among many activities of this unique union were health insurance programs, training and education programs, job placement and pension programs. Like other practices of Zionists, these social institutions were exclusive to Jews. One of the most important factors in recreating the Jewish national identity was their educational system. In the Mandate agreement, Zionists won from the British and the League of Nations the recognition of Hebrew as an official language, along with Arabic and English.

They also acquired British consent and support for a separate and exclusive private Jewish school system. Zionists gained autonomy over the curriculum, which was imbued with Jewish nationalism.

The British Mandate government denied these freedoms and financial support to the Palestinian Arabs. Palestine’s educational system for the two communities under the Mandate was separate and unequal in terms of quality, financing, levels of education, and delivery. Separation of the two communities was promulgated in 1926 by the British Mandate government’s Religious Communities Organization Ordinance. It granted the Jewish settler community in Palestine a juridical personality and the power of taxation for charitable and educational purposes.


Jewish State-within-a-State: The British authorized the establishment of the Jewish Agency to represent, lead, and negotiate on behalf of the Jewish settler community in Palestine on all aspects of British policy. In turn, the Jewish Agency established various social, economic and political agencies, institutions, and organizations—including military and intelligence. These organizations were the nucleus of an emerging autonomous Jewish political authority within the Palestine Mandate government.

The Palestinian Arabs had no such centralized political agency, nor did the political leaders have the capacity to mobilize the population effectively on a national level. It was this well-organized, well-financed, and well-armed state-within-a-state political authority that defeated the Palestinian resistance an Arab expeditionary forces and conquered most of Palestine in 1948. In 1948, the Zionist movement unilaterally declared the state of Israel. The majority of the Palestinians became stateless refugees.




source http://www.thejerusalemfund.org/ht/d/sp/i/189/pid/189


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Perhaps there was no way to stop history, but the Zionists CHOSE the way they treated the Palestinians.

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Perhaps there was no way to stop history, but the Zionists CHOSE the way they treated the Palestinians.

 

Really ?
In October 1947 the UN divided the former Ottoman province of "Palestine" into two parts -for an Arab State and for a Jewish one, though it had already been divided 25 years earlier to found an Arab Kingdom of Jordan in 75 % of it.
Nevertheless, the "evil Zionists" accepted the second partition as well, unlike "the Palestinian resistance and an Arab expeditionary forces"
And do you know, who commanded this "resistance" ?
A senior Nazi collaborator and Holocaust perpetrator Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_Amin_al-Husseini#Ties_with_the_Axis_Powers_during_World_War_II

 

You don't know much about the Mufti except the Zionist lies.. His objective was to stop the migration of European Jews because they had already sheltered 600,000 of them who did not speak the language or the culture.. and they had doubled the population of Palestine.. Imagine for the sake of comparison if 100 million Sudanese refugees suddenly immigrated to the US. That's what it was like.

The Mufti had zip to do with the Holocaust.. and his big audience with Hitler lasted 10 minutes..

Consider Stern who wrote to Hitler offering to be a friend to the Reich when they won WW2...

You really should brush up on your history.. Palestine was called Syria-Palestine by Herodotus circa 500 BC. I hope you are man enough to stand correction.

 

The grand Mufti organized two Muslim SS units.

 

See here, how it was really like
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_Amin_al-Husseini#The_Holocaust

By the way- Arafat called the Mufti "hero" and Abbas "martyr".

 

From Bosnia.. and Bosnia had it own reasons for siding with the Axis... No Palestinian Arabs were listed under Waffen foreign volunteers. Not one.

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Wiki is not always a good source... just like you believed that Hadrian named it Palestine after the Philistines.

 

Still it doesnt contridacte what I brought to you,

Here is what the document says about the Jewish land after 1967:

According to what you copy-pasted, the right of return exists under international law, which means that the right of return to the Jews to the land they owned is must to be fulfilled by the Arabs, therefore, the Arabs or the PLO is obligated to fulfill this right on the Jews, and if not they will violate intornational law!!

It is not contridacting what I wrote to you!! the nagotiation team just mentioned verious of options to deal with Jewish right of return.

You accept here in this part of your comment, that the Jews do have a claim over the stolen lands it needs to be retrived.
Annax 1 is just rainforcing what I wrote to you!!

So all of them said that they are liars! because of the simple fact that Turkey gave to the PLO the land ownership documents they had from the Ottoman period, Which means that document is according to the Ottoman documents about the lands ownership.

As I said, they said here that they lied, te "Palestinian" nagotoation team is part from the PLO, which means that you also agreed with them and call them liars. And that's because you gave their referances aobut the document.

It doesnt contridacting what I wrote to you + you just rainforcing my opinion about this conflict that Israel was trying to get peace between "the Palestinian" and Israel.

I know that, and...? my main sources about this subject are historical documents and not something that the media said. It seems that you are doing it more.

I will use a pssage that you used in this comment:

You contridacted yourself more then you contridacted what I gave you.

 

Do you see a problem? The Palestinian refugees have no right of return yet they lived in Palestine continuously for over 2,000 years.

 

um....no.

The Palestinian Arabs are a salad of Muslim migrants who have moved to this area over the last 1,200 years, and some local converts.

Arabs, Berbers, Turks, Egyptians, Kurds, Bosnians, Persians, etc etc etc...

its absurd to say that ALL Palestinians are direct descendents of converted Judeans.

 

There is a problem with what you wrote!
If the Arabs that called themselves "Palestinian" live in former Palestine, which means that ther is no "Palestinian refugees", because they cant be "refugees" if they continue living in former Palestine (the historical Palestine not the fixtion one.).