I understand your point of view. I also would rather that no one is in my face about their sexuality, race, or religious affiliation. I started this thred complaining ...yes. But the question I was trying to ask was why open carry? My dad always said he was afraid if he carried a gun he may have to use it. Say I shot a mass murderer before he killed anyone but after he fired a shot. How many tons of legal BS would I have to go through? Would my life be tormented by legal troubles? And to be effective a pistol is a close range weapon. You have to be even closer if you hold it sideways.
If you stopped a mass shooter, aren't the legal troubles worth it? Tactically, a pistol is used to fight your wayvto your rifle. Virtuall all murders take place at handgun range or less.
I don't know nuttin about murderers. Except I spent my life trying not to be one. I try to control my anger and not carry bad feelings for people. Now if you count the military as murderers my dad received a silver star. But even though war is murder I wouldn't call him a murderer.
I also throw this in. Chances are slim that I will be involved in a firearm related incident if I don't carry a firearm.
I have ran into plenty of people who open carry and never felt threatened. What were they doing that made you all feel uncomfortable? What is crowding around? Is that just being present or were they standing within arms reach or what?
I wasn't there. I would have just went about my business. If they would have crowded me then I would have just passed it off as rudeness and not even remembered the faces.
In my state you can conceal carry without a permit. But some still choose to open carry. I think it’s because those who do so usually have a gun that may be awkward to conceal. Most .45 ACP’s come to mind.
Yes, a lot of people die in car wrecks. But there less of a chance to get in a car wreck if you aren't in a car.
Thats kinda the point tho. Why are they necessarily 'in your face'? Is someone who wears a sports team logo being 'in your face' about their team spirit? Is someone who wears a feather boa with daisy dukes being 'in your face' about their sexuality? Is someone who wears a pink vagina hat being 'in your face' about their support for abortion (or womens right or w/e those mean...)? Is someone who wears real leather or fur being 'in your face' about their support for using animals as a resource? Or is there a multitude or reasons that they might do these things that have nothing to do with the people around them, or at least nothing to do with you in particular? Why open carry? Why wear daisy dukes or a crucifix or a mini-skirt or a turbin or leather chaps or a MAGA or pink vagina hat or a kilt or... etc. Some people open carry because a liscense to conceal isn't worth the effort to obtain, and thus open carry is the only legal alternative. Others because clothing that adequately conceals a firearm may be too bulky or too insulating for the occasion. Or perhaps because they feel the weapon will be too innacessible if they have to draw it from under clothes. But some people surely open carry because they like being known to be armed, whether as a warning to would-be attackers, or simply as a fashion statement, or even to be a dick and just piss off people who dont like guns. All of those are legitimate reasons to 'wear' a gun or a knife or anything else people wear in a society that values freedom of expression. Some of them may indeed be trying to be 'in your face', whether its about guns or leather or religion, but others arent. Assuming their purpose is just projection, its saying 'I have no reason to do that, and thus neither do they, and thus they're just trying to make a statement.' And regarding the few that actually are trying to make a statement, providing them the reaction (attention) they want is not only the least effective way to get them to stop, but also might convince others who didn't feel a need to express themselves or werent trying to get a reaction on this begin to feel like maybe they should.
I said in another thread....Open carry on the other hand makes the carrier a threat to all people who are unaware of the carrier's history and is antisocial. IOW probably a libertarian ash hole.
Thats doesn't make any sense. Why is someone more of a threat when you can see their weapon than when their weapon is hidden?
Just imagine all the concealed carriers you're unaware of oh my very frightening!!! So many things to be afraid of where do we Begin? I was supposed to be afraid of global warming or Corona more? Or should we fear law abiding citizens practicing their rights even more than those two?
Because it is a projection of power. It makes them look powerfull. A pink vagina or a "fashion statement" won't kill you.
It is quite possible that someone using a firearm in public may do more harm than good. Here is another true story....When I was younger I worked for a guy that cut and hauled pulpwood. He bought a skidder. The diesel motor had to be rebuilt so it was parked and we went to work on it. Several of us were sitting around during lunch an some idiot jumps out of his car and starts shooting. He shot towards the ground with no intention of hurting anyone. He thought it was a big joke. Someone with another weapon could have killed him. The man was an idiot but didn't deserve to die for it. And we we so taken by surprise we may have been seriously hurt before we could protect ourselves. It happened so fast.
I can only hope she points the thing outwards or she will fall off the next chair she chooses to sit on. The ROW cannot understand this. The USA (well maybe parts of Mexico or Colombian drugs country ) is the only country that feels so insecure that it has to behave as if the calendar was frozen somewhere in the 19th century or in the middle of a John Wayne movie. I sincerely feel sorry for you all. The NRA has terrified you and has created a phenomenally lucrative market in vigilantist paranoia.
Totally incorrect, only a person with a unreasonable fear of guns might perceive open carry as a threat, however the majority of normal people don't even care nor are they threatened by it.
What he did was commit a serious crime, had he done that in the presence of a LEO or a lawfully armed citizen he probably would have been shot and it would have been his own fault.
People like firearms...even me. I don't live in fear doing my every day business. Even people that are against firearms usually admit is fun to fire them after they do. Most people are responsible gun owners and good folks. But they aren't law enforcement and IMHO should leave that job to law enforcement.
You don't understand carry or you would have never made that statement. ]quote]The USA (well maybe parts of Mexico or Colombian drugs country ) is the only country that feels so insecure that it has to behave as if the calendar was frozen somewhere in the 19th century or in the middle of a John Wayne movie.[/quote] It has nothing to do with insecurity and everything to do with self preservation by exercising a right, for those in the US. [/quote] 100% bullcrap, based on that statement you clearly know nothing about the NRA.
