Opening Pandora's box

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  1. Robert E Allen

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    That did not happen. Trump Russia collusion was disproved by Mueller..

    The Trump Ukrainian phine call had nothing to do with 2020..

    Don't know what your talking about with China..
     
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    You're usually better informed than your post here indicates. The Trump-Ukrainian call was only one of a long series of communications between Trump & President Zelensky, wherein Trump was forcing Zelensky to gather dirt on Biden that would affect the 2020 election. It is illegal for any public official to accept political help--including info--from a foreign power. The 2nd sentence of your post is entirely wrong.

    I don't know if your conservative news sources played the video of Trump in the White House lawn, publicly calling on China to investigate Biden, but MSNBC played it, & commented on it numerous times. I watched it several times, until I tired of it. It's very real, & illustrates Trump's willingness to break the law if he feels it benefits him personally. I'll make it easy for you. Here's a link to that video:
     
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    I don't watch the news at all.. i watch the hearings and read the transcripts
     
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    Then you're in no position to say whether Trump called on China to investigate Biden or not. I urge you to watch the video link I sent you in my last post.
     
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    What did he ask China to investigate Biden about???
     
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    Look at the video. It's short. That will answer your question.
     
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    It's from CNN, not a reliable source.
     
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    that is like blaming a cop cause someone got busted breaking the law... Trump and only Trump is the one to blame for his actions, no one forced him to do this, it was his choice

    don't do the crime, if you can't do the time

    do you really want a lawless government where your rulers are above the law?

    a government where anyone that sees wrong doing in our government gets penalized for reporting it

    if one does, they support big government, a dictatorship

    Americans do not support a President asking a foreign government to investigate their political opponent while withholding millions in needed aid
     
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    HE IS NOT GUILTY HE DID NO CRIME!
     
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    why would you not want Trump called to testify? let Trump tell us what happened in his own words
     
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    he did do this, that much is obvious, you can argue if it's impeachable, but I think even you know he did it
     
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    unfortunately, that's not how impeachment works... all that matters is if enough politicians think it's illegal
     
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    The same video is shown on several networks. Just Google "Trump's call for China to investigate Biden." I do recommend avoiding Fox News though. It's not reliable either.
     
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    Inviting or compelling a foreign country or its leaders to become involved with domestic American elections IS A CRIME. The way Trump did it is even worse. He committed extortion against Ukraine President Zelensky. It's fine that you like Trump, but it's NOT ok for you to protect a President who violates his oath of office & abuses the power of his office to advance himself over the country he is supposed to be leading.
     
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    he asked for investigations into Biden and Burisma because it related to meddling in the 2016 election.... This is not the same as looking for dirt to influence 2020..
     
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    that may be how the dems are using it but that is not the purpose of impeachment.. the purpose of impeachment is to get rid of people who committed serious crimes or who violated ethics in such a way as to compromise America.... neither of which occurred.

    If everything the dems say is true even then nothing about America is compromised..
     
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    that is not what Trump did
     
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    it's more reliable than any other network, but i don't watch it either
     
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    if that were true, impeachments would be handled by our legal system and not decided by the politicians themselves ;)
     
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    This is the legsl system within the political system
     
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    Except for the fact that those had already been looked into by American intelligence, & found to be untrue. Those still claiming wrongdoing here are simply sycophants of Trump trying to create doubt with a conspiracy theory already dismissed by official authorities. Investigations by the CIA, the State Dept, & the U.S. military, all concluded the same thing--that Russia was guilty of interference in the 2016 election--not Ukraine or any company connected with Ukraine. Trump admires Putin & Russia, & wants to transfer that blame over onto Ukraine, to help Putin. But his efforts are all based on falsehoods & Trump's own affection for authoritarian rulers like Putin, & Russia itself. It's sad that he's used his time in office for such nonredeemable efforts.
     
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    All the testimonies from our foreign service professionals for the past 10 or 12 days, says you're wrong. How do you conclude otherwise?
     
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    Fox News is looked upon by professional newscasters dedicated to accuracy & truth, as a simple conservative propaganda station. I'm glad you don't watch it, but your faith in it is misplaced.
     
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    No Trump didn't trust our intelligence departments and for good reason as they were controlled by Democrats and had already shown to be working against him.

    Burisma was a corrupt company.
    Biden worked for a corrupt company
    Biden sr ended an investigation into Burisma.

    That warrants investigation... the end
     
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    1. There was no QPQ
    2. Ukrainian said there was no pressure
    3. Ukraine got the aid
    4. Ukraine did not know aid was being withheld..
     

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