Orthodox Jews Protest Against Suppression of Their Religious Rights

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  1. Marlowe

    Marlowe New Member

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    HUH ?

    Are you really - foolishlishly attempting to dismiss Shlomo Sand, Professor of History at Tel Aviv University, as NOT being a Jew ?
    :roflol:

    Go check -:roflol::roflol:
     
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    If he was Muslim or Arab , Allah followers would have issued a death fatwa.. Wouldn't you ? :eyepopping:
     
  3. HBendor

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    Biography
    Sand was born in Linz, Austria, to Polish Jewish survivors of the Holocaust. His parents had Communistand anti-imperialist views and refused to accept compensation from Germany for their suffering during the Second World War. Sand spent his first two years in a displaced-persons camp near Munich, and moved with the family to Jaffa in 1948. He was expelled from high school at the age of sixteen. According to one interview, “Sand spent the late 1960s and early 1970s working a series of odd jobs, including several years as a telephone lineman.” He completed his high-school work at age 25 and spent three years in the military. The Six Day War, in which he served, “pushed him towards the radical left.” Quitting the Union of Israeli Communist Youth (Banki), he joined the more radical, and anti-Zionist, Matzpen in 1968. He resigned from Matzpen in 1970 due to his disillusionment with the organisation.

    How I Ceased to Be a Jew
    In 2013, Sand published a book entitled How I Ceased to Be a Jew. The book examines the question of Jewish identity and the distinction between being a Jew and being Israeli. It also examines the identity of Israel, with a focus on the country's relationship, as a “Jewish state,” to Jews around the world and to its non-Jewish citizens.

    To me he placed himself in a category of 'Intellectual Morons', rebellious in anyway and willing to deny his coreligionist the base they stand on just for the sake of promoting his hate in a book that does not sell and used by the opposition to throw darts at the Jews.
     
  4. DrewBedson

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    He ain't Joooosh Marlowe! He gave that up years ago!:roflol:

    May as well quote Jack Napier as this anti Jew sort for crying out loud!
     
  5. DrewBedson

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    Your other quasi Jew hero Gilad Atzmon states the same as Shlomo in his book - that he "Ceased to be a Jew"
     
  6. J0NAH

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    'ceased to be a jew'

    lmao. comedy gold.

    how can you cease to be something you never were?
     
  7. HBendor

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    There are a lot of these in your neighborhood they are the cursed <SATMAR> and <NETUREI KARTA>...
     
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    lol
    would love to see a stand off in the street between neturei karta and chazars.
     
  9. HBendor

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    What is a <chazar> please tell? And once again Satmar + Neturei Karta are not Jews but just opportunists with a stretched hand.
     
  10. Ronstar

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    who????
     
  11. Mr_Truth

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    "How I Ceased to be a Jew" ---


    http://dissidentvoice.org/2013/09/how-shlomo-sand-ceased-to-be-a-jew-or-did-he/



    Not really - he "ceased" to be a Jew as defined by social convention.

    Look closely and you will see that his philosophy (all written in Hebrew, by the way with books that are Best Sellers in Israel) actually represents true Judaism through his outlook and actions. Therefore, Marlowe is correct = Sand is a Jew.
     
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    Social convention?????????????? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
    Perhaps a Jew in denial or an ostracized Jew, revenging Jew because of his circumcision perhaps????
     
  13. Mr_Truth

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    If you read the link you would have seen that Sand's words and teachings are proofs that he is a real Jew. A Jew in that he wants peace and reconciliation, Tikkun Olam, and an end to the type of racial chauvinist politics that stifle others. This to Sand, and to the commentator, are supposed to be hallmarks of TRUE Judaism.

    Therefore, contrary to your views and that of the others on this thread, Marlowe was correct.
     
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    Seems jews cannot have crises of faith.

    No matter what they do, or how much they reject judiaism, there are those that will never accept a jew's rejection.

    There are lots of jew haters on the planet that insist that the taint of jew can't be washed off by any possible means.
    I believe there was even a rather prominent jew hater who actually created a set of laws with regard to the types of jews on the planet that had absolutely nothing to do with religious belief and everything to do with "blood". Guess there's still a few jew haters that believe that ignorant garbage.
     
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    Let me straighten you in a few words <TIKUN OLAM> ended up to be a disgrace for Judaism...
    And BTW if Marlowe is ever once correct <I am the yellow submarine>!
     
  16. Mr_Truth

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    Jonsa & HBendor are both WRONG.


    The barbarities that Israel are known for do NOT constitute true Judaism which should always be characterized by beneficence, brethrenship, and piety.
    Sand's writings (which again were in HEBREW) were intended to denounce rabid ethnic/racial chauvinism which are anti-Jewish. When he wrote "I am no longer a 'Jew' " he was saying he is denouncing this chauvinism and doing his best to be a true Jew by advocating and practicing a life of which reflects true Jewish character.

    Therefore, while Jonsa & HBendor are wrong, Marlowe is 100% correct.
     
  17. DrewBedson

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    So if one twists enough so that the head meets the rectum "I am no longer a Jew" means " I' m so damm Jewish I could just soil my panties!"
     
  18. HBendor

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    And if my grandmother had wheels she would become 'Golf Car' ...
    And ALL THE SATMAR-NETUREI KARTA ARE A BUNCK OF LOONY kAZUNIES!!!!
     
  19. cupid dave

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    All true and understated in America today.

    The Levites were exempt from wars, always.
    The Rabbi of tyoday try to use that exemption for men of other tribes who see themselves as if they were levites.
    But otherwise, the men of the Temp,e have always been exempt.

    "Levites were exempt from general military service. They were not counted in the census of the army in time of Moses or the Judge Deborah. Though relieved of the specific mitzva of waging war, they are required to take part in the mitzva of saving lives in times of direct threat.

    The service of the Levite is the service of the spirit. Thus the tribe originally chastised for its warlike behavior became the tribe which exemplified peace, blessing and fraternal harmony. "

    http://www.cohen-levi.org/the_levites/role_of_the_levites.htm
     
  20. cupid dave

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    Actually, he was an uninformed and thoughtless Jew who never read the Bible comprehensively.
    The result was that the Holocaust came as a shock to his misled concept of Judaism and his relationship with God:

    16 And the Lord said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them.

    17 Then my anger shall be kindled against them in that day, and I will forsake them, and I will hide my face from them, (of Holocaust), and they shall be devoured, and many evils and troubles shall befall them; so that they will say in that day, Are not these evils come upon us, because our God is not among us?

    18 And I will surely hide my face in that day (of Holocaust), for all the evils which they shall have wrought, in that they are turned unto other gods.
     
  21. HBendor

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    Very nice... But if the so called Levite become the majority then, you expect the Israeli Jews to do double and triple shores to save these good for nothing but pray to a God that does not listen/hear??????????

    If the God of Israel was a living God why did we have to suffer all these years? Why the Inquisition, the Holocaust and the rest of hateful people making our lives a burden?
     
  22. cupid dave

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    All that has happened is a consequence of "Palestinians" starting a failed war a few times which has force Israel to expand into positions that became necessary for its defense.

    America has done a si ilar thing in East asia by making certain places "Protectorates" after the WWII attack by Japan.
    Countries tend to do these things when wars occur.
    But the PLO and Hamas have made specific claims against the acceptance of the state of Israel and vowed to destroy it sooner or later.

    What seems to make sense to me is that Israel ought refuse a State of PLO, attack this constant and unending enemy right now, and close the issue with borders and positionm that can be protected thereafter.
    To accomplish this, they need either American Bunker Bombs or the use of their own A-bombs to level the Iranian sites that threaten nukes.
     
  23. cupid dave

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    What I get from the Torah, both from G-d and Moses in Deuteronomy 31 is that we Jews never managed to practice the Judaism we are supposed to practice.

    Today, we see 20,000 abortions in Israel now, and Gay Pride Marches (right in front of Islam) from time to time.
    Certainly, the teachings have been against sexually promiscuous behaviors, but Israel has been deaf for centuries.
     
  24. HBendor

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    Forgive me... I do not buy your flimsy theory... In this case the whole bl@@@@dy world should be on fire... It is only Israel that is these past 4000 years.

    Read the latest news in Israel by one of the most knowledgeable and most informed Ted Belman

    http://www.israpundit.com/archives/63595176
     
  25. Mr_Truth

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    Perhaps if you actually read his book you would know a little more.
     

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