Otto Warmbier Died

Was just listening to his Dad. He said he had been in a coma almost all the time. Possibly evidence of physical violence would be gone.

Do we have a resident dr who can tell us what this means

link in OP

 

Here's more:

http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/20/affinity-magazine-aggressively-victim-blames-otto-warmbier/


Affinity Magazine Aggressively Victim-Blames Otto Warmbier

AMBER ATHEY

1:57 PM 06/20/2017

Affinity Magazine, the same site that promotes illegal immigration, trashed recently-deceased Otto Warmbier for not following North Korea’s laws.

Warmbier was detained in North Korea after he was accused of stealing one of the country’s propaganda posters. He was finally returned to the U.S. after 17 months but was in a coma due to severe brain damage and died shortly thereafter.

Apparently devoid of any sympathy, Affinity Magazine is blaming the U.S. teen for his own death on Twitter.


“If you decide to go to North Korea then you have to respect their laws,” the magazine wrote on Monday. “Otherwise you better stay home.”

If you decide to go to North Korea then you have to respect their laws. Otherwise you better stay home. https://t.co/HkGCh1P0Id — Affinity Magazine (@TheAffinityMag) June 19, 2017

In a now deleted tweet, Affinity said Warmbier’s behavior was due to white privilege, and again said, “respect their laws.”

Screen Shot Twitter Affinity Magazine

The tragic irony in Affinity’s victim-blaming is that it often encourages illegal immigrants not to follow U.S. laws.



https://reason.com/blog/2017/06/19/did-otto-warmbier-really-die-because-nor


Did Otto Warmbier Really Die Because North Korea Denied Him White Privilege?

A look back at what some analysts saw as the teachable moment from an indefensible arrest of an American student abroad.

Nick Gillespie|Jun. 19, 2017 10:18 pm

Otto Warmbier, a 22-year-old American student imprisoned by North Korea for over a year for attempting to steal a propaganda poster, has died after coming home to Ohio last week. He showed signs of severe brain damage though North Korean officials claimed he had contracted botulism during his imprisonment. His original sentence was 15 years of hard labor but he was released early due to his health. From the Cincinnati Enquirer:


He went on to the University of Virginia, and it was during college, in late 2015, that he traveled to North Korea with a Chinese-based tour group.


He was detained at the airport on Jan. 2, 2016, as the group was preparing to leave the country. He was charged with engaging in anti-state activity for allegedly trying to steal a poster from a hotel, and he was sentenced in March 2016 to 15 years of hard labor.


His family got only one letter from him after his televised trial. After that, they heard nothing until shortly before June 13, when he was finally flown home.


No official cause of death has been released yet.


A bit over a year ago, as Warmbier's sentence hit the news, some media outlets used it as a teachable moment, though the exact point was never all that clear. On Comedy Central's The Nightly Show, host Larry Wilmore opined that the lesson was "Frat Bro Privilege not valid in totalitarian dystopias."


"North Korea isn't a playground for college pranks, Kim Jong-un isn't a fictional character from a Seth Rogen movie, and Pyongyang isn't some game you play with Coors Light and Solo cups... It's just tough for me to have much sympathy for this guy and his crocodile tears."




Ebony magazine took things farther, insisting that the takeaway was not about frat-bro privilege but "white privilege." In a story reprinted from the site Kinfolk Kollective, the author LaSha argued:


I'm willing to bet my last dollar that he was aware of the political climate in that country, but privilege is a hell of a drug. The high of privilege told him that North Korea's history of making examples out of American citizens who dare challenge their rigid legal system in any way was no match for his alabaster American privilege. When you can watch a white man who entered a theatre and killed a dozen people come out unscathed, you start to believe you're invincible. When you see a white man taken to Burger King in a bulletproof vest after he killed nine people in a church, you learn that the world will always protect you....


What a mind-blowing moment it must be to realize after 21 years of being pedestaled by the world simply because your DNA coding produced the favorable phenotype that such favor is not absolute. What a bummer to realize that even the State Department with all its influence and power cannot assure your pardon. What a wake-up call it is to realize that your tears are met with indifference.


As I've said, living 15 years performing manual labor in North Korea is unimaginable, but so is going to a place I know I'm unwelcome and violating their laws.


I suppose there are many lessons Americans, foreigners, and even (or especially) North Koreans might draw from the grimly concluded saga of Otto Warmbier. But given his suffering at the hands of arguably the most-despotic regime left on the planet and what doctors called "extensive loss of brain tissue" resulting in his being in a "state of unresponsive wakefulness," talking about white privilege or fraternity hijinks gone seems wrong pretty far down the list. As with the shooting of Reps. Gabby Giffords and Steve Scalise, tragic and unpredictable events often seem to bring out the worst in people, especially when the go-to interpretive frame is highly political or ideological and devoid of empathy.


In 2015, Reason's Todd Krainin interviewed North Korean defector Yeonmi Park about her escape from that prison-state.


Nick Gillespie is the editor in chief of Reason.com and Reason TV and the co-author, with Matt Welch, of The Declaration of Independents: How Libertarian Politics Can Fix What's Wrong With America (2011/2012). He is also a columnist for The Daily Beast.

 

Dumb.

 

Hillary allowed Chris Stephens to be murdered. IMO that could also have had a "dead men tell no tales" motive. He was in the midst of a US gun running op.

 

Here's more:

http://hotair.com/archives/2017/06/20/trump-appreciate-chinas-efforts-help-north-korea-hasnt-worked/


Coming Soon To North Korea: Operation Enduring Covfefe?

ALLAHPUNDITPosted at 4:01 pm on June 20, 2017


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This … seems like a prelude to something. Maybe the Georgia special election won’t end up being the biggest news tonight after all:


While I greatly appreciate the efforts of President Xi & China to help with North Korea, it has not worked out. At least I know China tried!


— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 20, 2017

“I’m sure China gave 110 percent effort,” says David French, drily, of the president’s latest tweet. This afternoon the State Department issued a statement demanding the release of the three Americans still being held captive in North Korea. The Pentagon made a statement too:


The United States flew two supersonic bombers over the Korean Peninsula on Tuesday in a show of force against North Korea, South Korean officials said…


The U.S. military said the bombers conducted two separate drills with the Japanese and South Korean air forces. It said the flights demonstrated solidarity among South Korea, Japan and the United States “to defend against provocative and destabilizing actions in the Pacific theater.”

The first MOAB dropped should have “For Otto” written on the side. Spicer was asked at today’s briefing whether Trump’s quasi-invitation to meet with Kim Jong-un was still open even though Warmbier’s body isn’t yet cold. Not as much as it used to be, said Spicer, wisely.


Here’s Trump last January, a month before the Iowa caucuses, warning that if China didn’t solve its North Korea problem, the U.S. could and should launch a trade war on Beijing that would cause the country to “collapse in about two minutes.” In fairness, though, that was before China’s president gave him a 10-minute impromptu history lesson about the NorKs that apparently changed the president’s mind totally.

 

If you read the article a poster linked above, neurologists have ruled out the botulism claim.

 

I seriously hope you're just trolling. Cause good god man the alternative is just to ridiculous.

 

Fractures of the brain would show on the various diagnostic equipment.

Perhaps Warmbier tried to hang himself and failed.

There is a type of choke-hold that cuts off blood to the brain, causing an individual to lose consciousness within 7-10 seconds (or longer depending on body-type). That choke-hold is banned by almost all police departments in the US.

I don't see what North Koreans have to gain by harming Warmbier. In fact, he could be used as a political tool to obtain concessions from the US. Warmbier could have been used as a bargaining chip for any number of reasons, but not if he is dead or dying.

 

Typical insulting post by another deluded forum right winger. So typical in their ignorance and hate. Of course, he does nothing to refute the truth of what I say so that this proves that I am correct once again.

Thank you for the validation.

 

Had Donald Dump been smart he could have used Warmbier as a bargaining tool in that he could have said, we'll reduce sanctions if you surrender him. But Dump is too stupid to do anything like that and should be impeached for Warmbier's death.

 

Is there no end to the right wing trolling on this board???

 

I am not a doctor and do not claim expertise on this matter. However, I have worked with athletes for nearly half a century as player and coach. Over this long time period I have seen athletes endure much pain and injury which results in scars, bruises, and fractures. Because of this, it is highly doubtful that one can be subjected to torturous pain without leaving some form of evidence that could readily be apparent. Hopefully, some medic will ascertain the actual cause of his death and the government will not fabricate misleading evidence of any kind.

 

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North Koreans know how to torture that they don't leave physical evidence. Inject the right or wrong substance and they could have fried Otto's brain leaving no trace after more than a year..

 

what purpose would that serve?

And if true, why wouldn't terrorist Bush have done that at Abu Ghraib so that no evidence of his crimes would be evident?

 

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The NK's have been at this for more than 65 years. They've got it down to a science. But in Otto Warmbier's case someone slipped up and fried his brain. Your avatar doesn't suit your tenure of script. A Red Flag with hammer and sickle would be more in keeping.

 

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Warmbier had sustained a severe neurological injury. Loss of brain tissue was most likely caused by an extended period of oxygen deprivation. A lot of time passed between his initial injury and ultimate death. Keeping someone on a choke hold too long can produce the same results and there would be no evidence left after one year. When a choke is executed correctly, it can render an opponent unconscious in as little as 8 to 13 seconds. 15 to 30 seconds can cause permanent unconsciousness and/or death. That would be the simplest way to produce the results shown by Warmbier.

 

The young man was in custody for 18 months, so it is actually Obama you are faulting here. Additionally, it is believed Warmbier was in a coma after about a month in NK custody--well before Trump took office.

Additionally, it is Trump that ordered US officialdom to get Warmbier released, and he was then released--in a coma.

IMO Obama could have known of the boy's condition and not lifted a finger in order to avoid the bad publicity of not having taken decisive action asa the NK's initial detainment. It seems like the sort of thing the O might do.

 

CT and/or MR would show loss of gray matter or cerebral atrophy this far out. Post mortem would also indicate. Not sure what drugs might cause it but I know of none albeit not my thing. I agree a choke hold with strangulation would do it. It would take repetitive times perhaps or one long prolonged one stopping not just airway but the carotids.

 

Ok. Thanks for confirming you're just trolling. Was a little worried there for a second. Like, no one could possibly be so absolutely ignorant... right...?

 

who told you that? how do you know? been there in person? or just cite from the media?

don't try to impress by wording anyone here.

 

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Strangulation normally entails crushing the larynx, or windpipe, a choke hold shuts the blood flow to both carotid arteries and the brain. Necrosis of brain cells can begin within 20 seconds. When applied more than 3 to 6 minutes permanent brain damage and death can follow. Perhaps that is what Otto Warmbier suffered. This maybe just conjecture but seems logical. Some guard was ordered to hold the choke hold a little too long.

 

Granny says, "Dat's right - dey murdered him - bomb `em to smithereens...

McCain: North Korea ‘murdered’ American student Otto Warmbier
June 20, 2017 - Sen. John McCain said Monday North Korea ‘murdered’ Otto Warmbier, the American student who was imprisoned by the North Korean government for over a year and died days after returning to the United States in a coma.

 

I cite from common Sense, survivors of the Regime and the fact the country is dark from Space. I add the Northeim korean Propaganda Videos which Look laughable Psycho. I know you come from an ant hive society, so free thinking is impossible dir you.

 

Deleted -hadn't read enough posts!!

 

There would have been no need not to report that.

sounds like a possible reason. Thank you.

The fact that he could be used as a political tool was possibly the reason that the fact he was in a coma was not reported and he was kept for so long. I see three possibilities from what you said. He tried to hang himself - they caught him in time but did not say because they wanted to hold him as a political tool, they were frightening him and it went too far and they kept him as a political tool or someone got angry with him, went against orders - same result.

None the less he was a 21 year old man when he took the poster. Foolish maybe, impulsive maybe, wanting to impress friends maybe. Who has not been stupid and acted in an arrogant or impulsive manner wanting to impress when they are 21? I do not understand why people are trying to blame him. To me it sounds like a tragedy.