Palestinian farmer killed by Israeli strike in Gaza

Exactly on what do you come to this decision from. Your Government has decided that there will be no two State solution. The Palestinians have nothing. Before their march the Israelis had set up attack forces around the Palestinians which they let loose with as soon as the Palestinians came within fire.

You support stealing all of their land and indiscriminate mass killing of them all against International law and then blame the victims The world does not change.

 

Ethnic cleansing is a crime against humanity.

 

It is the 'Jews'* who are wiping out the Palestinians from their ancient homeland by following out a system of Western Imperialistic colonisation which I am sure you support. No one needs to support people colonising their land and keeping them prisoner for 50 years.

*It is antsemetic to blame all Jews for what Israel is doing.

 

that is a LIE

i am against the settlements and the stealing of land by the Israeli govt in the West Bank.

i am against the annexation of east jerusalem.

however, the Palestinians should have accepted the 1947 peace plan, or they should have made the West Bank into a Palestinian state at peace with Israel, or they should have continued negotiating at Camp David till they got a good deal or at Taba.

the 2nd Intifida was a disaster that led to many Israelis giving up on peace and the Wall being built.

every day the Palestinians lose more land and more settlers move into the West Bank.

every day the Israelis win more..and the Palestinians LOSE more.

but they're too blind or stubborn to see it.

time to quit while they're behind

 

I don't agree with you often but here I do. More Palestinians were killed by fellow Palestinians than by the Israelis during the 2nd Intifada. They are their own worst enemy.

 

its really ****ing sad to see.

even the Arab world is tired of hearing about the Palestinians.

 

The people in the main doing the murdering are the Israelis. They even burn to death babies in their beds to get the homes of Palestinians and then raise their glasses to celebrate this at weddings just like they create songs about the genocide of Palestinian children. Not all Israelis but I note the pro Israelis not only blame all Palestinians for everything one of them does but invents things none of them do.

If Israel allowed the Palestinians peaceful protest did not keep them as prisoners for 50 years honoured Oslo, did not keep stealing their land and resources, got back behind 67 lines and followed International Law there might be a possibility of peace.

 

What? First I heard of this. Provide some back up for this outrageous claim.

 

Dinnae you worry then Ronstar, you Jews will be able to set up your own little ethnic nationalist state having colonised their land, taken their resources and expelled the 'natives' from it just like white Imperialists have always done.. I suggest you yourself leave now given your support of this. You will not find you will be welcome in the US for much longer as it, just like Israel moves to ethnic nationalism - and which as a Jew you of course will not be accepted as contrary to what you as a Jew may believe, they do not see you as a 'white'. Your place in the thinking you are taking on is in Israel. Better start packing your bags.

#In case I need to say it this does not go with my thinking, my desires but it is the rational outcome of what you are supporting Ronstar in todays world and indeed from where Israel is getting its support to go against International law and colonise another peopel's land, ethnic cleansing them and taking their resources. Israel is supported because of the upsurge in ethnic nationalism in the west.

 

No Ronstar I do not believe you are against any of those things as you then give excuses for blaming it all on the Palestinians.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Intifada

"Between 1988 and 1992, intra-Palestinian violence claimed the lives of nearly 1,000.[71] By June 1990, according to Benny Morris, "[T]he Intifada seemed to have lost direction. A symptom of the PLO's frustration was the great increase in the killing of suspected collaborators."[72] Roughly 18,000 Palestinians, compromised by Israeli intelligence, are said to have given information to the other side.[23] Collaborators were threatened with death or ostracism unless they desisted, and if their collaboration with the Occupying Power continued, were executed by special troops such as the "Black Panthers" and "Red Eagles". An estimated 771 (according to Associated Press) to 942 (according to the IDF) Palestinians were executed on suspicion of collaboration during the span of the Intifada."

Literally on the wiki page although I had the wrong one its the first intifada.

 

They don't have to do ****. The Palestinians turned their backs on and rejected the 47 UN agreement and as such they have no basis for any claims to the land. You don't get to whine about treaties when you outright rejected the first treaty and tried to kill all the Jews in 48. Its not a shock exactly since the Palestinians sided with the Nazis in WW2 so why the **** should anyone have any sympathy for Nazi sympathizers. Germany and Japan at least acknowledge what they did meanwhile Palestinians literally have children's TV shows talking about killing Jews.



So yeah Palestine can go **** themselves in the ass with the patented "Big Daddy's Dong" double ended dildo Deluxe edition with Hyper Vibrate mode.

 

Ok up above you talk about the 2nd Intifada and say more Palestinians were killed by their own. In reality their were 3.135 Palestinians killed.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3694350.stm

I have something which needs my urgent attention so will get back later on the rest of what you say.

 

Ah but was he 'a Palestinian farmer', and was Omar Samour his real name? Could've been a Hamas operative called Mohammed something-or-other who was in the wrong place at the wrong time? Hold that thought?? Don't believe everything you read in the papers.

 

Sorry missed that you had put the 2nd Intifada. This is the first time I have heard this and I can't find anything to collaborate what Morris says.

B'tselem gives causalities here but it does not mention supposed traitors being killed.

I can't actually find what you quote at your link but I did find this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Intifada

So we can see that around 9,000 apparently were collaborating with Israel. That does not mean they wanted to, Israel has her ways and means of getting that. Shin Bet described this and how hard it is in a video they released asking someone to get Israel to understand they must move for a two State solution as according to them, no Israeli PM ever has with the possible exception of Rabin.

When you look at the kind of causalities they were experiencing it is not difficult to imagine that people would want anyone complicit to be punished and stopped.

for example

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20171209-remembering-the-first-intifada-2/

That though still would not amount to more than were killed directly by Israel if what Morris says is true.

 

Oh, so that's why it's perfectly fine to kill innocent farmers with tanks?

Makes sense to me!

 

Not really - Hamas is the Palestinians' worst enemy.

 

What, exactly, are you saying they should do? Shoot themselves to spare the IDF the bother? Tidy up their houses and put up huge signs outside saying "Free to first israeli settler to show up!"?

You know as well as I do that Israel is simply going to keep on bringing more and more settlers into Palestine until the country is gone.

I'm disappointed in you, Ronstar. I used to think you were a voice of reason on this forum. Evidently, I was wrong.

 

So you can't wait until the palestines are all exterminated so people will shut up about them?

Good thinking.

 

So, people whose families have lived on that land for generations should just piss off or be killed by israeli snipers?

What the hell?!

 

I personally think there is no peaceful solution to the problem

The palestanian arabs missed their only chance for a nation in 1947 when they rejected the UN partition and chose war instead

It has brought only misery and defeat for them since

 

And the more they breed, the more of them there will be to live in misery and defeat in the coming years.

 

Breeding is their one true talent

 

LOL Nobody can deny that - Muslims don't stick to the 2.4 norm, that's for sure.

 

Your un-informed opinion cheapens the debate.