Palestinian Statehood officially acknowledged.

How do you expect this to be true from a 'bull pen' in Spain?

Another good one is summed up this way (re 181) when two ice cream cones are offered to two fighting kids, one delight in eating his and the other in anger throw his on the ground... Does the ice cream buyer springs for another one or retort you had your chance and blew it?

Come on Klipklap you are trying to indulge in wishful thinking... go buy yourself an ice cream and cool down.

 

What authority supersedes Gods? None. What military power supersedes the USA? None. How would Russia reacct to the UN giving land won in WW2 to their foes? Lol! So why in heck does does the UN think it can do the same to Israel? ...onward; What power does the UN have to dictate to a sovereign nation where her borders lie? None. God and the USA (lol) granted Israel to right to exist. God i.e. the bible prophesied the modern Israel would be revived. It did. Israel is returning and reestablishing the same the borders named in the bible. What Israel ends up with will be the will of God not man. That said the USA is for the foreseeable future protecting Israel via God and will assist her in her obtaining her density. So when all is said and done Israel will be even larger in land size than today. As for the UN what can that godless corrupt entity do to enforce her will ie the pal resolution? Not much. What can Israel do with the United States to keep her land? The same she did in 48 and 67.


God bless the Zionist. Define Zionism; Zi·on·ist
n 1. judaism supporter of a Jewish state: a supporter of 19th-century Zionism, or a modern supporter of the state of Israel

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reva

 

Anybody holding a pistol. You're a collector of lethal weapons. You should know that.

Her ' density ' , eh ? Good. If we pee on Zionism enough it might sink.

 

I have no more of a role in determining what is and what isn't a crime than you or your government. I'm simply parroting the consensus of the international community.

 

True I have a bunch of lethal weaoons and firearms. However part of your statement is faulty and you should know that. The fault part is that I am CHristian so I know that nothing superseeds Gods authority, not even the IRS.

Ha~ ha funny! I was standing up typing while getting ready to leave the office for a bit and committed a typo. Anyway, Zionism is not a bad word or process it simply defines those that feel Israel has a 'right' to her nation and to exist just like anyone else.

reva

 

Well, as long as they're certified christian firearms and properly blessed .

 

Oh ! you meant During the Mandate - when non-Jewish Palestinians , who first welcomed those Europeans Jews , who they thought was cousins, turned out to have cme with a plan -to establish "DER JUDENSTAAT " and displace + dispossess the indigenous non-Jews. According to William Ziff's book "The Rape of Palestine " he says :

"The Moslem religious leaders, the Mufti, was openly friendly.
Throughout Arabia, the chiefs were for the most part distinctly pro- Zionist: and in Palestine the peasantry were delighted at every prospect of Jewish settlement near their villages. Commercial intercourse between Arab and Jew was constant and steady." pp.13
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"Hussein of the Hejaz looked to the Zionists for the financial and scientific experience of which the projected Arab state would standly badly in need. In May 1918, Dr. Chaim Weizmann and Hussein of the Hejaz met in Cairo where the latter spoke of mutual cooperation between Jews and Arabs in Palestine. In early l9l9 a Treaty of Friendship was signed to provide for "the closest possible collaboration in the development of the Arab state and the coming Jewish Commonwealth of Palestine. On March 3, l9l9, another Arab leader, Feisal, son of Sherif, wrote: "We wish the Jews a most hearty welcome home."

If Ziff's words are accurate, there was no Arab opposition to Jewish immigration to Palestine at least as far back as l919.
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I've not come across any reliable evidence to dispute Ziff's account. - Wherever I've travelled I've found Arabs (in general) amongst the most hospitable of people. and I can well understand how they at first welcomed the Jews and reacted as they did on learning of the Zionist plans.


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If Arabs - reknowned for their hospitality , was at first so friendly towards those who then claimed to be their cousins,

Gilos - My question to you is , - what do you think the Jews could have done to the Arabs to have made them so mad ?
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DUH ! - Have you ever killed someone , ? Let us know how you feel after taking a life.
Remember your Ten Commandments ( LOL
I guess its an american thing , fondling and playing with their little pis-toolas

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Yea right, lol, everyone remembers the sweet Mufti, Muffi we used to call him, such a pleasant guy

Shame what the Evil Brits did to him, and his fellow Arabs, only hitler really understood him.

What could the Jews have done..., lets see, what will justify a massacre of entier families in Hebron..., lets check what those Jews did in Germany at around the same time that got the Nazis mad and them and find out...you lead.

 

And Im simply being honest.

Any reason you swiched to USSR?

 

That happened after it was known that European Jews wanted to take over Palestine...it does show that there was real resentment starting and emotional hysteria started by telling Palestinians that Jews had committed a massacre in Jerusalem. However regarding hostility or not to Jews, far more than the burgeoning hostility was the very real fact that the people involved in this massacre were not the people of the neighbourhood and most Jews were saved because they were hidden in the neighbour's houses at risk to their lives on so doing. Hebron shows firmly the good comunuity relations there were between Muslim, Christian and Jews. I repeat they risked their own lives for the Jews and by so doing saved most of the Jewish community.

 

These are the FACTS.:

The United Nations created the State of Israel; in 1948. Since then the arabs have alowed no peace in the region. Israel just wants to live in peace. Arabs attack civilian Israeli citizens almost daily. If the arabs would stop attacking, there would be PEACE.

 

It is a sad day, Gilos. You have sunk to the depths of Borat and HBendor in the petty sludge that you pretend is rebuttal against the raw verified facts of the ethnic cleansing long before the Arabs attacked Israel. HBendor was so impressed with your response. That should have been a forewarning of its fragility.

You offer (without a reference - see the Borat/Bender tactics that you are starting to follow?) the one War Lord crossed the Jordan river in March 1947. OK, Gilos, I offer the following as evidence of the degree of Zionist aggression compared to that. It utterly pales into insignificance in comparative aggression terms:

# The King David Hotel bombing was an attack carried out on July 22, 1946 by the militant right-wing Zionist underground organization the Irgun on the British administrative headquarters for Palestine, which was housed in the King David Hotel in Jerusalem. 91 people of various nationalities were killed and 46 were injured. - http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/kd.html

Gilos, compare THAT to a warlord crossing the Jordan. Absolutely no contest. Or do you disagree?

# Jewish underground group the Irgun kidnapped two British army Intelligence Corps NCOs, Sergeant Clifford Martin and Sergeant Mervyn Paice, and threatened to kill them if the death sentences passed on Irgun militants arrested by the British authorities on charges of illegal possession of arms, and with 'intent to kill or cause other harm to a large number of people', were carried out. When the executions were carried out, the Irgun killed its hostages and hung their booby-trapped bodies in a eucalyptus grove near Netanya. http://www.executedtoday.com/tag/sergeants-affair/

Gilos, compare THAT to your CLAIM (also unreferenced) that the Mufti cut off water to some Jews in Jerusalem. Here … check the picture:



King David hotel massacre – show us images that disturbing of some guy crossing the Jordan river (so you say)



I am taking a chance here, but I bet these two British sergeants would have rather chosen to have their water cut off any day (which, so you say happened to some Jerusalem Jews)

Gilos, I am sorely disappointed that you have sunk to the Borat/Bendor levels. You could do so much better.

 

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No, the UN didn't create the ' State of Israel ' at all. Israel declared its own Statehood, unilaterally, in 1948.
You're also wrong in the rest of your statements- as you'll no doubt shortly discover.

 

I'm quite chuffed, as it happens. It bears out my view of anybody who supports Zionism and its doctrine of ethnic cleansing.

 

We're discussing Palestine, not Lebanon. Your post is off topic.

 

My mistake. I thought that you were discussing ethnic cleansing. And since Hezbollah supports its fellow terrorist group Hamas I thought that they'd be an excellent example of ethnic cleansing directed against the Jews.

 

Moon is clairvoyant

ZIONIST MYTH ALERT!!! ZIONIST MYTH ALERT!!! ZIONIST MYTH ALERT!!!

Facts, my sweet lil' tushie!!! Meyers, you are old enough to know them. Go here for the REAL facts, and not the Zionist mantras (click here) where you will find the text of UN General Assembly resolution 181. Now, with your new-found access to actual facts, answer me these:

1) Does the preamble of '181' not make the objective of that resolution abundantly clear with: “Recommends to the United Kingdom, as the mandatory Power for Palestine, and to all other Members of the United Nations the adoption and implementation, with regard to the future Government of Palestine, of the Plan of Partition with Economic Union set out below”. Does this not show with undeniable clarity that it is for Britain to accept those recommendations and, as the mandatory power, to implement them WERE she to accept them under the international law as represented by The Mandate which was still in plain vigour and had neither ended nor been annulled?

So WHERE, GMeyers1944, does 181 CREATE the State of Israel? But let us not stop there but go further. You know that the Zionist leadership publicly accepted ‘181’, right?

2) Now, have you read Israel’s declaration of Independence? If so you will have seen that it derives its legality from ‘181’. So, by unilaterally declaring independence and not allowing for the proper implementation of ‘181’, Israel was violating that resolution only months after jubilantly having accepted it. And THAT, GMeyers, the deliberate violation of a UN resolution, was an act of war. That is why Shiva has so long maintained that the Arab States were not the first to bang the War Gong, but that Israel was. I cannot fault his logic and reasoning. Can you, GMeyers1944, without reverting to a lame claim of 'revisionism'?

3) Next, if you have not yet read the debate leading up to UN ‘181’ – you can find it here (click). Can you see that there was considerable dispute between the UN member states as to whether ‘181’ was legal. In it you will find the Arab states’ demands that the proposal be forwarded to the ICJ for a legal opinion.

With the indisputable knowledge of this dispute regarding legality of the proposal in mind, now have a look at the statement of international law pertinent to Palestine at the time - The Mandate for Palestine (1922). You can find it here (click). Scroll down to Article 26 of this international law where you will find why the Arab demand was perfectly legal: “The Mandatory agrees that, if any dispute whatever should arise between the Mandatory and another member of the League of Nations relating to the interpretation or the application of the provisions of the mandate, such dispute, if it cannot be settled by negotiation, shall be submitted to the Permanent Court of International Justice provided for by Article 14 of the Covenant of the League of Nations”. Contrary to what Gilos has claimed in the sole rebuttal on this forum to the illegality of '181', it was the task of Britain as Mandate Holder to properly administer the law and to comply by forwarding the 181 proposal to the ICJ, and NOT for the Arab states to usurp that authority.

Now go back to the previously reference UN Annual report for 1947 and you will find this most appalling fact – The UN voted itself (under intense US pressure) the right to ignore this clear piece of international law.

Now I ask you, GMeyers1944, what does all of that tell you regarding the legality of ‘181’? What does THAT tell you regarding the reason that the Arab States rejected ‘181’. And what does that tell you regarding their full and legal right to do so. If you want, we can continue to elaborate on their actual alternative proposal.

So, with your new-found knowledge I put the following to you in conclusion:

# That the Arabs did not reject partition of Palestine and the creation of a Palestinian State, as one of the Top-3 Zionist Myths claim. They in fact rejected ALL OF 181 because it was simply ILLEGAL.

# That ‘181’ did NOT create Israel as you claim, but was a recommendation to the holder of the Mandate (or its successors) for a course of future action, and that that future action was subject to a fully defined itinerary and protocol.

# That nowhere in that protocol were the Zionists given the rights or authority to unilaterally declare independence. NOWHERE!!

So from whichever side you look at it, and they are multiple, the independence of Israel was obtained illegally and was therefore a clear act of war.

 

Only as a side issue of neoZionist activities in relation to the topic- which is the newly-recognised Palestinian Statehood.

 

Observer statehood. Big difference. It means that Palestine sits at the kiddie table at the UN.

 

That's because , according to the existing power structure, Palestine is only a ' kiddie ' State. You know what happens to adults who interfere with kiddies ?

 

Sure do. They get to bulldoze the kiddies shacks down.

 

Well then, record it all on video and post it on the worldwide web. 138-9 will quickly become 146-1. Then the kiddies can move on up.

 

Never going to happen. It'll never pass muster in the Security Council and no way is Palestine even approaching being a "peace loving state."