Papadopoulos was in contact with senior members of Trump's campaign staff

Your exaggerations and misrepresentations are something to behold. Trump never said we need Russia for anything. He never said that we were on the same side as Russia in the areas mentioned. He never said or hinted that we should overlook Russia's aggression and human rights abuses, or that he is willing to overlook Russia's transgressions. As far as I know Trump's administration is still looking into Russia interference, which means he is doing more than Obama did for months.
The haters and fools do include the special prosecutor's team among others, and, yes, at least some Republicans.

 

You still don't get it. Even this was entrapment, Junior swallowed the bait hook, line, and sinker. He was eager to attend that meeting with four Russian operatives in Trump Tower. Trump's son-in-law and Trump's campaign manager joined him. The four Russians represented the Russian government. Nobody forced those three to meet with the Russians.

That is the point.

Now do you get it?

 

I never said Trump stated that Russia was on our side of the issues.

Yes, he did. I quoted him. You need to read my post again.

 

I hear the sales pitch, but I ain't buying. Papadopolous was charged for lying about contacts, not having contact. Trump jr had a meeting ... not a crime. No quid pro quo, no harm, no foul. The lengths you go to, to try and make the sale are extraordinary.

 

What you said was, ".....with respect to the issues Trump mentioned, apparently he doesn't realize that we are on opposite sides on three of those issues, North Korea, Syria, and Ukraine,..." which clearly implies that you think (and said) Trump thinks Russia is on our side.

Trump, per you, "I want to solve North Korea, Syria, Ukraine, terrorism, and Russia can greatly help,......" To which you followed, "....First of all, the overall concept is wrong. The U.S. does not need Russia."
"can greatly help" is not "need."

 

Who is Snufalufagus?

 

You didn't deal with a single issue in the post you are responding to. I didn't even mention Papa in that post.

Now that is because my post was very damaging and it was the truth. A Trump supporter, you couldn't deal with the post. So, you changed the subject to a trivial matter.

It is quite common for Trumpians to ignore reality. It is the only way they can handle the mounting evidence against Trump.

 

You are splitting hairs again. I never waste my time arguing semantics, inferences, and speculation.

Trump does think Russia is on our side. Haven't you been listening?

Thank you for reinforcing what I did say.

 

You again presumed I would follow your misdirection. You didn't mention Papadopolous, though he is the topic. Now you're onto Trump. You can't support claims that Papadopolous or Jr colluded, and how damaging you imagine your own contrivance to be is of little import. Without a quid pro quo the encounter means nothing.

 

So then you agree that Papa's plea is a non-event, and Jr's meeting was innocuous.... and non-criminal??

 

You are welcome. And in the future you should say what you really mean, not something approximate that has plausible deniability. If you believe Trump said Russia could help us, that's what you should say; if you think Trump said that we need Russia, that is what you should say. That ain't splitting hairs; that is saying what you mean or not.
For instance when and where did Trump say, "Russia is on our side"?

 

It can be argued that Sessions will continue to be called back by members of Congress until he gets his story straight. This time he appeared before the House Judiciary Committee.

As in previous sessions (pardon the pun), Sessions tried to appear self-righteous. "My answers have not changed," Sessions said. "I have always told the truth, and I have answered every question as I understood them and to the best of my recollection, as I will continue to do today. ... I will not accept and reject accusations that I have ever lied under oath. That is a lie."

At another Congressional hearing, Sessions had said, “I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign, and I did not have communications with the Russians, and I’m unable to comment on it.”

That is a lie first told at his Senate confirmation hearing. During the election campaign, he met twice with the Russian ambassador to the U.S., Sergey Kislyak, once in his Senatorial office, the only Senator to do so during the election campaign.

Later during that same hearing, Sessions was asked, “Have you been in contact with anyone connected to any part of the Russian government about the 2016 election, either before or after Election Day?” “No,” Sessions replied, without elaboration.

That is a lie. Sessions explained, lamely, I might add. Previously, Sessions had "no recollection" of the meeting that he chaired that included Papadopoulos until a picture of it surfaced after the staffer's guilty plea for false statements.

"After reading his account, and to the best of my recollection, I believe that I wanted to make clear to him that he was not authorized to represent the campaign with the Russian government, or any other foreign government, for that matter. But I did not recall this event, which occurred 18 months before my testimony of a few weeks ago, and would gladly have reported it had I remembered it, because I pushed back against his suggestion."

A convoluted statement at best. He could not remember the meeting, but he remembers being the good guy.

Have you been in contact with anyone connected to any part of the Russian government about the 2016 election, either before or after Election Day? “No,” Sessions replied.

In addition to Papadopulous and his connection to Russia, Trump's son, Don, Jr., met with Russian operatives at Trump Tower.

Trump's son-in-law and campaign manager met with Russian operatives at Trump Tower.

Paul Manafort, Trump's campaign manager, had worked for a pro-Russian agency in Ukraine.

Rick Gates, Manafort's protégé, also worked for the Russians. Both Manafort and Gates have been indicted by the special prosecutor.

Mike Flynn, a senior advisor on the campaign, worked out a deal with the Russian ambassador. At the time, Flynn was a private citizen and his actions constituted a conspiracy against the current President and his policies regarding a hostile foreign power. Flynn later became Trump's NSA, but was fired days after the appointment.

Carter Page visited Moscow and spoke with Russian Deputy Prime Minister Arkady Dvorkovich. Page gave Sessions and other members of Trump's campaign a full report on the encounter.

I have always told the truth, and I have answered every question as I understood them and to the best of my recollection, as I will continue to do today. ... I will not accept and reject accusations that I have ever lied under oath. That is a lie.

 

You two may think it is wise to avoid reality. You can pretend that Papa wasn't in contact with the Russians or that Junior never met with Russian operatives in Trump Tower, but that will accomplish nothing and you both look rather foolish.

I have not mentioned collusion or criminal activity. You two have. You two imagine what I say, then critique me based on your imaginations. That's not very bright. It would be better to deal with the issues as I have presented them.

But I understand. Your hero, Trump, enjoys making stuff up, too.

 

Now you are telling how I should write my material??? Aw, geez, that's a hoot.

Surprise me sometime. Actually defend your hero instead of cracking jokes.

 

A long wordy post where you accuse Sessions of lying about meeting with Russians as a trump campaign surrogate without once saying when and where he ever did such. Keep digging through the bulls***, maybe there is a pony in there after all.

 

If you don't believe there was any collusion or criminal activity associated with Papa's meeting with Russians (OH, MY GOD!!!) or Don Jr's meeting, why do you keep blabbing about it?????

 

Nice parry. Subtle as a train wreck, but nice.
Sorry, but yes, I am helpfully telling you how to write your material.

 

Yawn. I make no denial of either meeting occuring. I point out neither are criminal. Again Papadopolous wasn't indicted for contact. Manafort present at Jr's meeting, also not charged for Russian contact. #148 "Trump and his close associates and relatives are guilty as hell'' ... #60 is another gem. When you can't simply cut / paste a liberal media hacks contrivance, you concoct one of your own. You look foolish.

 

His two publicized meetings with Kislyak can be found easily with an internet search. Sessions says he met Kislyak only twice. In Congressional hearings, Sessions has proven himself to be a liar.

 

Good. I had no intention of being subtle.

 

Bottom line:
The Trumpsters are digging their heels in and ignoring the growing list of senior campaign managers who have had contact with Russia(and lied about it).
The Trumpsters are also ignoring all the contradictory statements Trump has made and continues to make about everything from Flynn to Putin.
The Trumpsters are all for distractions (Hillary, the ACA, a tax bill), ANYTHING to get the topic off the investigation into Trump and his campaign.

I guess we'll just have to wait til the investigation is over, or for mid-terms, since neither the Senate nor House committees are interested in what happened.

 

https://newrepublic.com/article/143...ses-dirty-money-international-crime-syndicate

How to use Trump Tower and other luxury high-rises to clean dirty money, run an international crime syndicate, and propel a failed real estate developer into the White House.

Bogatin wasn’t deterred by the limited availability or the sky-high prices. The Russian plunked down $6 million to buy not one or two, but five luxury condos. The big check apparently caught the attention of the owner. According to Wayne Barrett, who investigated the deal for the Village Voice, Trump personally attended the closing, along with Bogatin.

If the transaction seemed suspicious—multiple apartments for a single buyer who appeared to have no legitimate way to put his hands on that much money—there may have been a reason. At the time, Russian mobsters were beginning to invest in high-end real estate, which offered an ideal vehicle to launder money from their criminal enterprises. “During the ’80s and ’90s, we in the U.S. government repeatedly saw a pattern by which criminals would use condos and high-rises to launder money,” says Jonathan Winer, a deputy assistant secretary of state for international law enforcement in the Clinton administration. “It didn’t matter that you paid too much, because the real estate values would rise, and it was a way of turning dirty money into clean money. It was done very systematically, and it explained why there are so many high-rises where the units were sold but no one is living in them.” When Trump Tower was built, as David Cay Johnston reports in The Making of Donald Trump, it was only the second high-rise in New York that accepted anonymous buyers.

In 1987, just three years after he attended the closing with Trump, Bogatin pleadedguilty to taking part in a massive gasoline-bootlegging scheme with Russian mobsters. After he fled the country, the government seized his five condos at Trump Tower, saying that he had purchased them to “launder money, to shelter and hide assets.” A Senate investigation into organized crime later revealed that Bogatin was a leading figure in the Russian mob in New York. His family ties, in fact, led straight to the top: His brother ran a $150 million stock scam with none other than Semion Mogilevich, whom the FBI considers the “boss of bosses” of the Russian mafia. At the time, Mogilevich—feared even by his fellow gangsters as “the most powerful mobster in the world”—was expanding his multibillion-dollar international criminal syndicate into America.

 

Interesting report, but how does it taint Trump, exactly, other than a few guys who think he should have done what the FBI was struggling with.

 

That will be determined by the special prosecutor who is investigating all the various conversations and dealings with Russian operatives by Trump close associates and family.

That's correct, He was charged with lying to the FBI about his conversations regarding the Russians

Yet. Still to be determined by the special prosecutor. Believe me, Mueller is eyeballing that meeting in Trump Tower with Russian operatives.

You seem confused. I am not a part of Mueller's team. You seem to think I should know when and what people should be charged and for which crime. I am complimented by your respect for my knowledge in such matters, but that is above my pay grade.

You look pretty desperate accusing me of plagiarism. That is about as low as you can go, but that doesn't surprise me. When the heat is on, Trumpians attack the messenger.

 

Correction, the special prosecutor, or any prosecutor, does not determine if something is criminal. They can only look for someone who might have violated a crime that is already in the books. Though Mueller might have some special authority since he was appointed without any know crime.