Parkland student questioned by school security for visiting gun range

Well if you aren't an advocate for gun control we are going to use police to make things very difficult for you.

 

OK mr far RW.
Dismissed.

 

Yet they have proven themselves to be more competent than parkland police.

Harrassing gun owners because they are gun owners and nothing else is not police work. Its using police to fulfill political agendas. That is corruption and official abuse

 

I’m far RW? Prove it. I’m probably more liberal than you think. I’m just not an authoritarian. Learn the difference.

 

Dismissing legitimate criticisms and deeming anybody that makes them as far right is demonizing.

If you held the moral high ground you wouldn't need to enguage in such behavior.

 

it's a way to dismiss criticism without addressing it.

 

I didn’t even really criticize them, I just said their approval of this instance of authoritarianism is quite telling. I didn’t call him an authoritarian, he is however acting like one.

 

Since when does LE need "probable cause" to ask a couple of questions?

Probable cause applies to being detained, arrested, searched, or stopped.

The police can, and do, ask questions of people thousands of times each day. How in the hell would they do their jobs without asking questions?

The kid wasn't detained, and he wasn't under arrest. In fact, he should have plead the 5th and told the cops to go pound sand.

 

Having him taken out of class and questioned without his parents or a lawyer present isn’t the way to go about it. They could have gone to his house as has been done in many cases where innocuous actions have taken place. There was no reason for them to take him out of class in an embarrassing and intimidating fashion. The kid was probably scared out of his wits. You said you had a kid that you take shooting with you on occasion. Would you be cool with anyone taking him out of class and questioning them about it? I would hope not, yet you seem like you’d be okay with it. I would not be okay with anyone doing that to my son.

What he should have done was refused to leave class and remained silent.

 

I'm not authoritarian either.
The interview was not authoritarian, but more reactive. And understandably so, give the mass murder there 2 months ago.

 

I thought I was dismissed.

Anyway, I haven’t said anyone is an authoritarian. I’ve said that some seem to be in approval of this instance of authoritarianism. I was a bit flippant when I said “how very authoritarian of you” to another poster, but didn’t say that they are one.

The way this was handled was very authoritarian in manner. There was no need to take him out of class (which was probably embarrassing and intimidating), question him without his parents or a lawyer present, and make a big deal out of nothing. They could have gone by his house and cleared this up without doing it in front of his classmates. Don’t you find the way they did this a bit unsettling? Or do you approve of how this was handled?

 

You said I approve of this authoritarian move.
The only thing I said, is I can understand it, based on recent killings next to them.

This was an information gathering exercise, based on concerns form kids in the school that just had 17 classmates killed. Overreaction is understandable. As I have said. Which is nothing close to approving authoritarian rule as you suggest.

I don't approve or disapprove. The emotions are way to high at the school to make that judgement.
Now if a policy is made to do this with every tweet, then I'd disapprove.

 

Well I'm glad that you and I can agree on something and beat of a different political philosophy. Thats cool. What happens is political views have a tendency of for kissing us to think on a more tribal line. I have been guilty of that myself. But we should try and recognized that different political philosophies don't have to be this polarizing.

 

No it wasn't reactive it was over-reactive. I personally believe that it's the police being used as a political axe to grind but I don't have any evidence of that.

It is not understandable to question someone about going to the gun range and the reason why I say that is because they didn't question anyone else there. Just this one kid they singled him out because he posted things on social media. That's why they questioned him they didn't question him because he went to the gun range as I've already pointed out likely hundreds of people went to the gun range that day and likely hundreds more of the day after or the day before. I doubt a single other person was questioned.

And this person's proximity to the school at which there was a massacre is of no relevance whatsoever.

There were warning signs for the shooter and they weren't him going to the gun range with his father.

That's why I have a sneaking suspicion that the police are being wielded like a political baton.

 

Going by your own statements in other posts you do seem to be in approval of the actions that were taken in this situation. Maybe if you didn't come across as defending the security officer in this situation I'd feel different. You also say that you "understand it, based on recent killings next to them." That looks like a statement of approval to me. This instance shouldn't have anyone understanding the actions that were taken. It was an authoritarian move that didn't have to be made, pure and simple.

An information gathering exercise that could have been handled at his house rather than in front of his classmates, and at school without his parents or a lawyer present.
And now you're saying overreaction is understandable. That's a statement of approval of this action which was authoritarian in nature. It shouldn't have gone down this way, period.

You seem to approve of how this took place. I'll ask again... don't you find the way this was handled a bit unsettling? Would you want this to happen to your child (if you have children)? I sure as hell wouldn't, and most sane parents wouldn't either. Or, do you approve of the way this was handled?

 

I'm sorry but that doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. This person's proximity to an event does not add any suspicions.

I'm beginning to think it's more of an intimidation exercise.

I'm sorry no. It was not based on that. It was based on the fact that this young man posted something to social media and retards told the police. Retards that tell the police about frivolous nonsense should be dismissed.

when police overreact and they're not held accountable for their over reactions they overreact more and that it's dangerous. It is not understandable it is intolerable.

that is exactly what it is. We are talking about overreacting really we are talking about overcompensating.

emotions Play No role. Overreaction is intolerable and it absolutely should be Stamped Out the moment it occurs in a police department. Permitting that by saying it's understandable is caving to authoritarianism. It's not understandable in the first place they could have done something about the Parkland shooter they chose not to they could have gone in and stopped him when he was murdering people they chose to wet their pants and hide well people's children were being murdered. There is no recovery from this level of negligence. So no over-reaction is too little too late.

so you're okay with them singling out to People based on their political philosophy but not if they chose not to discriminate?

 

Probably more alike than not alike. I'm a liberal, but I'm not a far left loony, or of the authoritarian stripe. I'm pro gay marriage, pro womens rights, pro school choice, pro military intervention when necessary, pro Bill of Rights (all of them), against the war on drugs but don't think ALL drugs should be legal, anti-illegal immigration, and some other things I can't think of off the top of my head.

 

Looks can be deceiving.
Approving on a case basis is not approving in general.

 

Well, i consider myself centrist. With libertarian lean.

But I think the word that might discribe you and me best is liberal.

With some people that is right of them. Keep in mind most people think they are Central.

 

No, to all your projections.

 

Well, that didn't answer any of my questions at all. At any rate, I call them as I see them.

Point is, this could have been handled away from school, and in a private setting rather than in the authoritative manner in which it did take place. Actually it shouldn't have taken place at all and the police should have ignored the complaints and told the people that did complain to cool their jets and inform them that he did nothing illegal and that this was no cause for alarm. Actions like what took place shouldn't be seen as logical, or understandable by any American, or those that value freedom over an authoritative sate.

 

I'm Mr. Far Right Winger, remember?

I get what you're saying though. Good points.

 

hindsight is 90 90. To quote a former prez.

And I did answer the 1 question I saw in a the previous post. You may actually replied to it.
But here it is again. I don't approve or disapprove in this case. I even went on to say, if they make a policy of doing this, I'd disapprove.

I'm to liberal to get hung up on 1 specific case that happened in a highly emotional environment of mass killing 2 months ago.

 

What projections?

I mentioned some suspicions but I made no projections.

 

Get this in some threads I'm far right despite the fact that I'm a homosexual man in a marriage with another homosexual man.