Part 10 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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  1. dairyair

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    I'll assume you didn't bother to read the link the 1st time I posted it for you and are not just unable to comprehend.

    Is God Omnipotent?

    This is, perhaps, the easiest of the three to answer: Yes, God is omnipotent! There is even a verse that, in the King James Version and New King James Version, uses this very word: “Alleluia! For the Lord God Omnipotent reigns!” (Revelation 19:6).4The Greek word translated as “Omnipotent” here is pantokrator, meaning “All-ruling” or (as it is more frequently translated) “Almighty.” When we say God is “Almighty,” we are stating our belief in His authority and rulership over all creation, and the Bible is firm in declaring this fact. Even though Satan is now the “god of this age” (2 Corinthians 4:4), it belongs to him only because Almighty God has granted it to Him: “And the devil said to Him, ‘All this authority [over all the kingdoms of this world] I will give You, and their glory; for this has been delivered to me, and I give it to whomever I wish’” (Luke 4:6).
    http://www.cogwriter.com/god-omnipotent-omniscient-omnipresent.htm
     
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    Maybe someday you will see the obvious.....probably not but there is always hope.
     
  3. dairyair

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    Someday is here. I see the obvious. And I think others see it as well. Peace.
     
  4. Mitt Ryan

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    Initially you responded to Bassman by saying this, "Ok, that is your belief. One of many.
    All the others are fools, and you got lucky?

    Then Bassman explains why he feels he has the right religion by saying, "Nobody else made the claim to be God Almighty other than Jesus of Nazareth Himself. And His resurrection further solidifies that fact."

    So it is not a matter of luck that he thinks he got the right religion but it is based on that statement he made which is a very powerful statement. There is no other religion that has made or can make such a boldly profound claim. And so as far as religions go, the Christian religion is the right one.

    Buddha, Mohammed, Confucius, and others never claimed to be God Almighty, they never resurrected from the dead, their bones lie dormant in the ground somewhere.

    So of all the religions in the world we can say that Christianity is at the top.

    Now the question becomes do you believe it or not and all you could say in response to Bassman was, "Every word of that is so absurdly false, how can you even write it?"

    Which is a very weak response....you might have just as well said, "duh"...lol

    Are you claiming to be omniscient? How do you know what Bassman said is absurdly false?...the answer is you don't know for sure, unless you have insight to 100% of all knowledge you can never be sure you are right.
     
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    That's great. Maybe you can spread the word among those who think the tide is turning in their favor....it isn't. What is happening is just propaganda to keep libs from drowning in their own tears.
     
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    The bolded part is possibly the best illustration of the "No True Scotsman" fallacy I've yet seen on this board. If they say they're Christians and follow Christian principles, they're Christians. Christians can pervert their own teachings to justify evil as well as anyone.
    And you still haven't answered my question "WHY did Jesus have to die?" What was God trying to accomplish? and why did he choose that particular method?.
     
  7. dairyair

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    Do you know the bolded for sure? Are you omniscient? No of course not.
     
  8. Mitt Ryan

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    Yes I know, because there is no such claims made in their respective religions as the claim made in the Christian religion...booyah!

    No, I'm not omniscient but I do know how to read and comprehend what I read...booyah!...lol
     
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    So now you have the ability to determine emotional intent by reading a few sentances by a stranger, despite being unable to remember which stranger posted which sentances... That makes sense... :roll:
    Oh, you have evidence that supports your theism? By all means, feel free to share it...
    A) you have no authority to tell anyone to "be quiet" on a public forum. (now who's getting "angry"?)
    B) You want Biblical quotes that claim God is omniscient? This link should provide about a dozen: http://www.openbible.info/topics/omniscience

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    That's believable. After all, there seem much simpler concepts with which you are also unaware.
    Did I? It seems you can't even remember who said what in this forum...
     
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    You are angry. That is my opinion like it or not. Trying to pretend you aren't is quite lame.

    Maybe I'll look at your link. If I find what I am looking for I will thank you but if not don't expect it. The evidence I am talking about is there for all to see. It is just that atheists want to believe what they want despite the evidence.
     
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    Interesting that you believe someone is "pretending" and being "lame" if their direct evidence contradicts your opinion... Is that the type of logic that led you to your religious beliefs?

    Given that you demanded a link, I think it would be interesting to hear of a reason why you wouldn't look at it...

    I certainly don't expect the level of maturity that would be represented by a "thank you".

    Perhaps this unnamed "evidence" is subjective and can be interpreted different ways by different people, in which case it isn't really evidence at all.
     
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    There is no such evidence.

    I looked at your link and there is no verse that states what you claim....nice fail.
     
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    What is this in reference to? Are you claiming that I have no direct evidence of my emotional state at any given point in time? That's simply moronic.

    Ok... in post #319 , you claimed that God is omnipotent despite that word not being used verbatim in the Bible... but the same doesn't apply to God being omniscient?
    Interesting.

    After all, that link provided numerous references to God being "all-knowing", which is what "omniscient" means...

    Now, are you done dodging the question of how God could be omnipotent without being omniscient?
     
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    Hey just remember you claimed your posts were moronic not me.

    I just claim the bible doesn't use the term.....so what?
     
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    The level of stupidity displayed by that post can only be intentional given that you have figured out how to use a keyboard... and will therefore be dismissed as flamebait.

    So God is omnipotent, even if the Bible doesn't use the term... but God is not omniscient because the Bible doesn't use the term...
    That totally makes sense. :roll:

    Of course, if you're right and God is not omniscient, what makes you believe he knows when each individual person sins?
     
  16. Mitt Ryan

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    Well as WanRen pointed out Abraham and Sarah remained with each other until death...that's what you call true love. Sadly not too many married people can stay together until death.

    Sarah was an old woman and so it's understandable why she felt she would not be able to bear children given her age. So she proposed that Abraham take their servant as a 2nd wife so they could have children through their servant to which Abraham agreed. Polygamy was acceptable during the OT times.

    So that's what happened. But the way you tell it makes it sound dirty and undignified but hey no surprise, critics of the Bible waste no opportunity at pointing something out in the Bible just so they can twist and mock it into something it's not...such hatefulness and disdain being displayed towards the Bible is the norm for the critic!
     
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    Good to know you are 100% sure. I didn't ask if there were claims by the respective religions. I asked if you are omniscient enough to know they've NEVER made the claim. Don't change the goal posts.
     
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    And quite obvious, you don't know what words mean.
    It seems you have a god that no other christian has. You created one that fits your knowledge level.
     
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    Uganda is a majority Christian nation in Africa. And it is far from an isolated case in Africa. Furthermore, your claim that they are not "true Christians" is nothing more than a No True Scotsman Fallacy.

    Bull(*)(*)(*)(*), they do it in this country as well.

    Holy (*)(*)(*)(*), you clearly haven't read your Bible.

    I never said anything about how his Disciples spread Christianity, I was talking about what Jesus did.
     
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    What's the difference? If their respective religions didn't make the claim it's because it's so obvious that Buddha, Mohammed, Confucius never made the claim. If they did we would read about it in their text of their respective religions.

    One doesn't need to be omniscient to know that, one just has to be able to read and comprehend what they are reading. No where will you find that a similar claim was made by them as the claim made by Jesus and written about it in the Bible.

    Stop being a sore loser when you lose an argument...lol
     
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    Lol...of course what can we expect from our atheists friends....denials!
     
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    I'm not. I know with 100% certainty. Prove me wrong.
     
  23. Mitt Ryan

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    Bingo! Now who is changing the goal posts?...lol

    You know you lost an argument and now you resort to playing silly games using the "P" word on a whole new subject...hahaha!

    Just move on, because I am, there are more questions for me to answer on these threads of mine. You can keep sulking in your defeat but what good will that do?...absolutely nothing!
     
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    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=335268&p=1063477207#post1063477207
    Your claim: '....others never claimed to be God Almighty...'.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dying-and-rising_god
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creator_deity
     
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    I accept your surrender.
     
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